Ga. lifts class size regulation
by Kathryn Dobies
kdobies@mdjonline.com
May 25, 2010 12:00 AM | 2126 views | 14 14 comments | 18 18 recommendations | email to a friend | print
MARIETTA - The State Board of Education voted Monday morning to lift its regulation on maximum class sizes for the 2010-11 school year. However, Cobb school board Chairwoman Lynnda Crowder-Eagle said she does not expect the district will try to exceed current classroom limits.

"I haven't heard that any board member wants to do that. I think going up to the maximum of the state is as high as we want to go," Crowder-Eagle said.

District spokesman Jay Dillon wrote via e-mail on Monday that the district does not anticipate needing to increase class sizes further, since it has already asked the state for increases and budgeted accordingly.

"In Cobb, we anticipated the need to increase class sizes for the coming school year and planned accordingly by seeking waivers last fall and earlier this spring," Dillon wrote. "We built next year's budget around the class-size increases requested in these waivers, with the expectation that either the waivers would be approved or the state DOE would issue a blanket exemption, as it did today. In Cobb, we do not anticipate a need to increase class sizes further than what we've already requested ... Many classes will see a marginal increase of two or three, and in some cases four of five students, but we don't foresee any overflowing classrooms or unmanageable situations."

Dillon said Superintendent Fred Sanderson was unavailable for comment.

The change will have no effect in Marietta City Schools, because of that district's charter status.

The Cobb school board voted 6-1, with Alison Bartlett dissenting, at its May 12 meeting to increase class sizes to the then-state maximum level of one teacher for every 22 students in kindergarten; 23-to-1 for grades one through three; 30-to-1 in grades four and five; 30-to-1 in sixth through eighth; and 32-to-1 in grades nine through 12. The increases resulted in the layoff of more than 1,000 teachers. While estimates have ranged as high as 40 students per class, Deputy Superintendent Dr. Steve Constantino said at a recent budget meeting that those estimates were premature, and that the number of students in a class most likely would not reach that high.

Still, the limits are averages, which means some classes will have more students and some less.

The 12-member state BOE voted 10-2 Monday to lift regulations on maximum class sizes in Georgia. Members Elizabeth Ragsdale and Linda Zechman, who both represent the southern part of the state, dissented. Matt Cardoza, Georgia DOE spokesman, said the deregulation is only for one year and would require another vote from the state BOE to extend it.

The board released a statement about its vote, saying it recognizes the need to give school systems more flexibility in a tough economy. All school districts will be required to submit a resolution to the state department of education before increasing class sizes above the current state-mandated limits. A district must also approve any such increase at its own school board meeting.

Connie Jackson, a special education teacher at Griffin Middle School in Smyrna, and president-elect of the Cobb Association of Educators, said she was shocked by the elimination of maximum class sizes.

"I was stunned and very dismayed," Jackson said. "By eliminating class size limits, you open the door for someone to abuse the policy. Even when we had a system-wide average, the class size averages weren't equal across the county, and now they won't be equal across the state."

Jackson worried that class sizes would be the first place superintendents would go when forced to reduce the budget.

"If you're a superintendent or administrator and you're looking to cut costs, then that's an easy way to do it," she said. "We've already cut teachers in Cobb. Are we going to cut more now that we can increase the amount of kids in it? The discipline is going to be horrendous, and I predict that the testing scores are going to go down."

Margaret Jones, a freshman and sophomore English teacher at Harrison High School, agreed with Jackson, and said she hasn't spoken to a single teacher in the system that is not concerned about the state's recent action.

"There's no way we can get to that many students," Jones said. "I don't even know how we can fit that many desks. When rats start killing each other it's when there are too many in the cage. They need space."

Jones, a 24-year veteran teacher, has taught in Cobb for nine years and previously taught in private schools, where class sizes are often capped at a much lower rate. She says increasing class sizes is not only an issue for low-achieving students, but also for those who are over-achievers. Jones worries that those students won't reach their maximum potential, because teachers won't have enough time to challenge students.

"I'm concerned that they're not concerned. It's just all about the money," Jones said of the school district and state board of education.

Todd Niemeier, a parent of three sons at Walton High School and Dickerson Middle School, said he often volunteers at the schools and has seen overcrowded classrooms, which he considers a safety hazard.

"I'm wondering if these board members have gone around and toured these schools," Niemeier said. "Explain to me how they're going to increase these class sizes when there's no room in the classrooms? It's a fire hazard. It's a safety issue. I've witnessed it."
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CLASSIZE!!
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August 21, 2010
Anyone feel like reporting class size?

Let's see...as teacher's talk to one another, we know what the class sizes are throughout the county.

We are seeing 40 students in history classes, 38 in ninth lit. classes (EOCT course, mind you).

Same in American Literature courses, an EOCT course.

Take a look at the critical classes. Take a look at ninth grade, when students have a tendency to fail. Also, Juniors, when they are so heavily tested with EOCT's and GHSGT. These classes are PACKED!

Now, who is going to be blamed for bad test scores? Teachers who are hardly able to hold their heads above water from a lack of support from administration, lack of time and quite frankly, stress.
CobbOak
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June 07, 2010
Wanna keep your class sizes low-Keep Oakwood High School open. Send us your students!!!!

Please help Oakwood High School continue to serve Cobb County Students!

Last Chance, unless you decide to sue because of their violation of due process:

6/9 CCSD Board Meeting

Public Comments - 7:30 AM sign in to speak

Board Meeting, comments - 8:30 AM

514 Glover St. Marietta, Georgia 30080

(Legal Adoption of the FY2011 Budget at Regular Board Meeting)
1 of the 579 cut
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May 26, 2010
Over 20 teachers were cut at one middle school in South Cobb which includes the entire Social Studies and Language Arts departments. Teachers were told that the cuts were based on their senority in their content area. But it looks like they did not touch certain content area such as Math. There are first-year teachers in Cobb that still have their jobs when other teachers were cut with three years. I wish I could see a list of all the teachers cut but I also agree with New Name...Cobb will never release it
I agree w/ New Name
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May 25, 2010
MDJ,

Please file an Open Records request for this info:

"When are we going to see a list of positions cut at each school? When are we going to see a break-down of how many teachers were cut for performance issues vs. tenure? When are we going to see accurate numbers for class sizes?"

Enough Already
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May 25, 2010
"New Name" hit it dead-square on target. Besides, they do what they want to anyway.
AstroTurf!
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May 25, 2010
Pack'um into the trailers like sardines but hey we have astro turf instead of new class rooms!
DLyons
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May 25, 2010
Where can I find one of the laid off teachers to home school my kids? At least they will get the attention and instruction they need.
Meanie
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May 25, 2010
So I am assuming there is no upside to this at all? Where did we stand when the classes were smaller? Could it be that many teachers have just become lazy and want to complain about having more students. By the time the teachers and parents accept the facts for what they are - there ain't no money - the children will have a built in excuse for doing poorly - and then it will come full circle and the reason will come right back to the larger class sizes. How about accepting this situation for what it is - everyone needs to sacrafice - including teachers, who seem to believe that because of "the children" they should continue on as if things were honkey dorrey and now have a built in excuse when test grades go down. Of those 22 to 32 in grades K through 12, how many are illegals, and how much time is being spent catering to their "special needs" such as not being able to speak English? Seems like some of you teachers, rather than railing at the "unfairness" of you having to suffer from the downturn like the rest of us, would pull yourself up by the bootstraps and say "we'll do whatever we can to see that "the children" succeed. And you parents, how about you devoting some time every night to helping out your child/children if and when they have a problem in a class. I am sick of seeing "the children" used for every rationalization that comes along, from SPLOT to now the increased class sizes and fewer teacher. This is exactly the attitude that is ruining this country. When my son was having trouble in math, we made home-made flash cards. How many do that now?

Curious One
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May 25, 2010
How quick can Kox get out of Georgia and stop the damage to all of our students? Georgians need a leader who will advocate for students not underfund and now overload our classrooms. Curious, it is reported that none of the metro school districts requested nor will use this "wild west waiver" so why did the State School Board collapse ? Why not just shut down the state education department when Kox goes to D.C. ? Same for State School Board ?
Following California
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May 25, 2010
California schools are sitting as high as 40 to an elementary classroom. The United States needs to get priorities straight. Unfortunately, Fred Sanderson has increased the amount of staff working on SPLOST funds and cut teachers. He will be the first to suggest this ridiculous idea. Teachers need to STOP working overtime and coming to school during the summer. They say they can not get things done during the time they are paid. Get doen what you can, and wait until the next day for the rest. If you get behind, so be it. Teachers will work their rear end off and Fred will just spit on them anyway!
Privateschools
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May 25, 2010
I guess I will send my kids to private schools then. Their first few years of school should have 15-18 in each class
NeverThought
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May 25, 2010
Here's where Georgia slips further down the list of U.S. school performance, although it won't be too much of a drop since last is as low as it can go.
New Name
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May 25, 2010
"Most likely would not" is roughly the same as saying "Yeah, it probably could" when it comes to the administration of this school district. This is roughly the same thing that was said when they announced teacher cuts and assured us they would try to hang on to the newer teachers who are enthusuastic about teaching. Guess what, it didn't happen that way.

When are we going to see a list of positions cut at each school? When are we going to see a break-down of how many teachers were cut for performance issues vs. tenure? When are we going to see accurate numbers for class sizes? The answer to these questions is, of course, not as long as they can help it.
sprdprmom
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May 25, 2010
Of my early grades experience in CCSD, my children were always placed in a class with more than 20 kids. This years k class had 24, about 50sq.ft. in size and not one window. What a great learning environment! What always got me is the "there are no smaller classes" when the class list was posted at the entrance to the school. I knew kids from the small class and it wasn't special ed it was special something else that should not be allowed.
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