Rep.'s school start date bill moves forward
by Jon Gillooly
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ATLANTA — State Rep. Matt Dollar (R-east Cobb) said he will begin asking members of Cobb’s 19-member legislative delegation today to sign a bill he authored that prevents the Cobb County School District from beginning school before the third full week of August.

The bill would change the existing start date, scheduled for Aug. 2, preventing the start date from occurring before Aug. 16. For the bill to become law, Dollar must garner the signatures of seven other Cobb state representatives and three Cobb state senators, as well as the signature of Gov. Sonny Perdue. Dollar said he did not include Marietta City Schools in the bill because it is not in the district he represents. State Sen. John Wiles (R-Kennesaw), delegation chairman, called a meeting at the Capitol on Monday to discuss Dollar’s bill. The meeting was poorly attended by the public, but Dollar said not many people knew about it.

Lane Holt, a member of Georgians Need Summers, a Cobb-based group in favor of Dollar’s bill, said she would have attended had she known about the meeting. State Sen. Judson Hill (R-east Cobb), said he didn’t learn about it until an hour before it occurred.

The two speakers on the bill were school district spokeswoman Michelle Luckett and lobbyist Chuck Clay of the Marietta law firm Brock Clay.

Luckett argued against Dollar’s bill, saying the state requires End of Course Testing to be complete by Jan. 7. Starting school the third week in August means the school system runs up against that testing deadline. Luckett spoke of the “significant disadvantage” the bill would cause Cobb students in having to “cram” for exams during the Christmas break.

State Rep. Sharon Cooper (R-east Cobb) said Luckett’s reasoning made sense, asking if it had been explained to parents. Luckett said she didn’t know.

“If that wasn’t communicated to the parents, that may have been one of the reasons we’re having this big controversy,” Cooper said, noting that she didn’t see how the school system had much choice when to start school if the testing deadline was Jan. 7.

Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock) asked if the Jan. 7 deadline was a state law or simply a state Department of Education regulation. Luckett said it was a regulation, to which Wiles said perhaps a waiver could be obtained for the deadline the same way the school system obtains waivers to increase class sizes.

State Rep. Ed Setzler (R-Acworth) asked if Luckett could characterize the general opinion of parents on the school calendar. Luckett said she’d have to get back with him. Luckett was also asked about the results of any surveys the school district had done on the subject and what parents said.

Wiles asked her to provide the legislators with that data.

Cooper said after the meeting she wished Luckett had better information.

“She wasn’t prepared to tell us the numbers,” Cooper said.

Cooper wondered why Superintendent Fred Sanderson sent Luckett, who was only hired last fall, to the meeting instead of coming himself.

“I would have thought it was important enough perhaps for the superintendent to have talked with us. I think that would have been very helpful,” she said.

Clay told the legislators he was not present as an attorney for the school board, but as a lobbyist for the Georgia Education Coalition, a group that represents such school systems as Fulton, Gwinnett, Cobb, Cherokee, Coweta, Chatham and Cartersville.

Clay said Dollar’s bill may limit the number of furlough days Cobb could give teachers, and while no one likes furloughs, they’re preferable to termination. Currently, he said, there are teacher workdays built into the calendar when students don’t attend school. Those could be used as furlough days, he said. But if the school year is compressed and those teacher workdays are taken out, they can’t be used as furloughs.

Clay told legislators to be wary of the bill and to ask questions of the school board members. He said they should be focused on “education not economics.”

The economics argument was made by Dollar and others, who say a key time for the tourist industry is in August. And when places like Six Flags and White Water do well, it helps the school system earn more Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax. In a time when school systems are talking about closing schools and firing teachers, they should welcome any revenue they can get, Dollar said.

Holt, whose children attend Dickerson Middle School and Sope Creek Elementary, said if more revenue comes in from a later school start date, thus saving five teacher positions, it should be considered.

Clay said the bill goes against local control.

He said the school systems his group represents oppose interference by legislation, “particularly those things that fall clearly within the purview of what a board is elected to do.”

State Rep. Judy Manning (R-Marietta) said the main problem some of her constituents have with the earlier school start date is that it pushes athletic programs into mid July, in the heat of summer, allowing students very little time away from campus.

Yet state Rep. Pat Dooley (D-Marietta) said she was leaning toward opposing Dollar’s bill, but wants a few more days to hear from her constituents.

“I don’t like the children out there in July and August with football and the practicing and the band. I don’t like them being put at risk, and I have some concern about that, but that should be a policy issue with the school board. That isn’t something that I need to legislate,” Dooley said.

Wiles asked Luckett to have school board members contact their legislators about where they stand.

But Cooper said she’d rather hear from the people in her district than her school board member.

“There just seems to be great dissatisfaction with this board,” Cooper said.

Cooper said the school board has a “massive communications problem,” comparing the board to the way the Democrats treat the Tea Party patriots.

“It’s the same kind of reaction. It’s just like ‘we know what’s best for you and you don’t have an opinion,’” Cooper said.

The word that sums up the board’s attitude, she said, is “condescension.”

“That is the perception that members of the public have. Whether that is really how the school board feels, only they know,” she said.

But the public has a solution, she said, pointing to the upcoming July election. Three board members are up for election in July, including Dr. John Abraham, Dr. John Crooks and Holli Cash. Abraham and Crooks say they don’t intend to seek re-election.

Cobb legislators absent from Monday’s meeting were state Sens. Doug Stoner (D-Smyrna), Steve Thompson (D-Powder Springs) and Hill, and state Reps. Alisha Morgan (D-Austell), Earl Ehrhart (R-Powder Springs), Don Wix (D-Mableton), Terry Johnson (D-Marietta) and Rob Teilhet (D-Smyrna).
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giveussummer
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July 27, 2010
testing and budget, that's all public education seems to be about. what about our kids?? they are still kids that NEED a good break of being kids and having fun. kids will only ever go 180 days, teachers will only work 190 days in a year, summer break is broken up throughout the year. one way to look at it parents is if the summer vacation is longer, then you decide what childcare services, if any, are needed until the kids go back. but when the summer is broken up and now in small bits throughout the school year, you are faced with multiple times of quickly needing childcare, for a week here, or sometimes just a day there. I say give us summer back, listen to the parents of your students, why have the students in school during the hottest month of the year, start them when we used to, in september, when it is a little cooler, and save your budget. as for the testing deadline, take back out all of the 1/2 days, all of the non explained one day holidays, get back to 3 days off thanksgiving, and two week winter breaks and we should be able to hit that deadline, like we did before!!
DID IT BEFORE
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April 15, 2010
THE BOARD SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF TESTING. WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD TESTING AT THIS TIME AND WE MADE IT WITH OUT STARTING SCHOOL SO EARLY. OUR CHILDREN DO NEED SUMMER BREAK. SO THEY DONT GO WITH A BALANCED CALANDER AND GO BACK TO WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. IT IS FUNNY HOW THE BOARDS REP COULD NOT SAY HOW THE PARENTS FELT. THEY WHERE AT THE BOARD MEETING COMPLAINING, THE COMPAINED ON THE SURVERY. SO HOW CAN THEY SAY THEY DO NOT KNOW. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY FOR THEM TO HIDE THINGS.
Reply to NCOBB
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April 11, 2010
It is called local, or special, legislation. Even though the lawmakers are able to make this change in the school calendar I believe that we should just stick with the jurisdiction of the Cobb County Board of Education. The people of Cobb County did elect them, so if you do not care for their work then vote for the challenger in the next election.
reply to stop crying
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April 08, 2010
Please reread petpeeve's arguement. The person is not complaining about being paid year round for 187 days worked. The argument is that teachers are not paid 365 days a year, but yet people consistently say teachers are paid year around as if they are paid for days not worked. This person did not say they were not happy about how they were paid but that to send students year round and increasing days in the school year, increases the pay of teachers because more days are worked. Or should teachers just work those days for free because they are teachers and apparently knew what they were getting into? A lot of people should take a nice long walk in other's moccasins before judging their choice of profession.
JCM in West Cobb
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April 01, 2010
The argument that teachers need a break is absolutely rediculous. I don't get a break unless I take a vacation. Teachers get 2 weeks at Christmas, a few days at Thanksgiving, MLK, and several other silly days that I don't get. Also, I know that my kids have substitues every single week at least once. So the teachers are getting a break.

Also, if you count putting turf on football fields and even practice fields at some schools makes sense when you and your coworkers are getting furloughed you probably shouldn't be a teacher to begin with. And we both know that if they really cared they could get the SPLOST money reapportioned. That is what should happen!!

The board for Cobb County is nothing short of egotistical and doesn't care any more for the people in Cobb that elected them than the board of Detroit Michigan cares about us. None of them should have jobs when their term is over.

Lastly, I can not come up with one coherent reason why someone would vote to give this group of incompetent people on the boar $1 more by voting for SPLOST. There is no way they deserve that level of trust. Just look into what they paid for 6 acres next to South Cobb HS in the worst real estate economy in generations. If I remember it was around $1.6 million. GOOD LORD!!
stopcrying
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March 31, 2010
To Yearroundpaypetpeeve- you get a check every month for your 187 days. If you do not like that, please find a job where you work more than 187 days and maybe you will make more money. We all know you do not work all those days, but you have to admit you get paid year 'round, right? You are the one with the flawed argument
Watcher.
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March 31, 2010
Sanderson did Ms. Luckett no favors by sending her to make this presentation.

It should have been done by Sanderson or CCSD's Board Chairman. Oops, the Board Chairman may not have been a great idea.

No wonder the CCSD Board is not doing well with Cobb's Legislative Delegation!
barney black
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March 31, 2010
Finally, someone in Cobb County with some sense! Thanks, Matt Dollar! It's pretty bad when we have to force the morons at the School District Office to do the smart & right thing.
ne cobb mom
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March 31, 2010
Everyone in my district should email Chip Rogers in support of this bill like I did yesterday. It is a sad day when we have to get our politicians involved in making good decisions that our school board can't seem to make. Vote David Banks out in the next election.
Matt's former teache
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March 30, 2010
This is not a legislative issue, it is a school board issue. Legislators need to worry about what is going to happen to their jobs, if they can't figure out the budget. The real issue should be how they can suck it up and work with our school board to solve this school crisis for all Cobb County folks. All of Cobb County will suffer when the school employees make less money. Face the facts folks. The school system is the largest employer in Cobb County. When we make less money, everyone in Cobb County will make less money.
west cobb
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March 30, 2010
Those of you who think that your children will get to go away during the week off in September either don't have children who participate in Fall sports or band or you haven't seen the schedule yet. The county athletic folks have scheduled a number of county tournaments, including softball and volleyball, and football games that week. My athlete was told not to try out if she couldn't commit to practice every day of the "break". So much for giving the kids a breather!
a cobb parent
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March 30, 2010
Remember, the 51.1% vote for the balanced calendar was out of four choices. The other 3 choices combined comprised the 49.9% difference. Let it go. There are far more serious issues to be dealt with than the calendar.
Nutty Nutty
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March 30, 2010
You people are crazy. The new calendar has school starting one week earlier than last year! Big Deal! Also, if childcare is an issue during the two breaks how do parents cope in the summer? The kids are still out the same number of weeks just at separate times. Give me a break. And you so called informed people obviously don't look at the CCSD website very often because there was a survey on there for parents about the calendars and the e-mail address of the board members so you could voice you opinion. What a joke! Grow up East Cobb whiners and live in the real world. Most people just deal with it and move on!
Yearroundpaypetpeeve
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March 30, 2010
Can I just educate those who think that teachers are paid year round? Yes teachers receive a paycheck 12 months out of the year for the 187 contracted days that they work. Teachers are not paid for any day or weeks off in the school year. If you expect students to go year round, this will increase the amount of pay for each teacher because teachers will work more days. So this suggestion does not help the shortfall any school district is facing right now.
cobb teacher
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March 30, 2010
Apparently Ms. Luckett is unaware that all schools on 4x4 schedules take the EOCT about 2 weeks before the end of the semester currently so we can get the scores back.

Why would kids need to "cram" for exams? If they have truly learned the material, they don't need to cram.

For ONCE, could Cobb county research and find out what calendar top school systems in the country use? What schedules do they have?
goodparent
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March 30, 2010
Parents, before you have children you need to decide if you will be available to take care of them when school is not in session or they are sick. The school is there to educate your children, not baby sit them. If your children are sick, don't give them tylenol then send them to school. How many times a day does the school nurse call parents around noon when the tylenol wears off? More than you realize. Be a good parent and take care of your children.
westcobb
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March 30, 2010
To East Cobb: In regard to your statement: "teachers get paid year round, why not teach year round?" Teachers are only paid based on the number of days they actually work. That salary is then divided by 12 and paid monthly. We do not get paid for holidays or summer break. We get paid for 191 workdays period! Why is it the states business what calendar Cobb County goes to school. We voted for the calendar without any input from administration or the board. We voted because we wanted this calendar for us and our students. Do you really think the temperature is any cooler the middle of August versus the first of August? Vote NO on Matt Dollar's school start date bill. The calendar is already set for the next 3 years. Leave it alone.
NCOBB
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March 30, 2010
How do you make a state law that only applies to one school system? I would think there are many more problems in this state that need to be fixed before you waste time on this.

P.S.

Beau's Mom of the 10 teacher work days 5 are preplanning before school begins and 2 are postplanning after school ends. That leaves 3 during the school year. Taking these away would only shorten the calender by 3 days.
Beau's Mom
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March 30, 2010
Labor Day to Memorial Day...however many days.

Furlough days impact number of days for retirement

purposes...establish a school year/term of days that can be paid for and make it happen. If 180 plus 10 teacher days is too many...cut something there. Talk to a teacher and each and every one of them will tell you the days for meetings are way too many!!The idea that teachers voted "for" the option the Superintendent wanted is plain old silly. Most of them didn't even vote!No one trusts the confidentality of the surveys. Everyone operates with "fear of reprisal" and fear of being on the "outs" with those in charge.

If the State sets a start time and stop time for everyone and stops messing with days in and out...maybe that will be a good thing. And, while they are at it...let's look at equalizing the money !
ECobb - Father of 3
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March 30, 2010
What the School Board has proposed with this "balanced" calendar has failed to consider is the working parent. When the working parent's child is not in school they need to take time off of work to be with their child or they need to pay someone to watch their child. Most employers do not give enough time off per year to accomodate the type of schedule the board is proposing. It's costly to the parent and it's difficult to find someone to watch the kids. Just think how difficult this schedule would be on a single parent? 30-40 years ago when you typically had one parent at home with the kids you could probably accomodate this type of schedule. In this day and age it would be very difficult. The Board's argument that a "majority" of people supported this change is laughable. Like Mr. Faircloth said 51.1% is not overwhelming support. Given that Matt Dollar even proposed this legislation tells me that the public is pretty upset about it and he's been hearing from his constituents. The CCSB pushed this "balanced" calendar from the start and did NOT seek sufficient input from the public prior to ruling. If they had this idea would have been shot down. The CCSB has continued to show their arrogance over the years by plowing through on what ever they think their agenda should be. They forget that they answer to the Taxpayer and the parents of Cobb County. Hopefully people will not forget this come election time vote the incumbents out regardless of political affiliation. If parents of Cobb County truly want to curb the CCSB's over-reaching policies then contact your state rep and ask him to support Dollar's legislation. If they hear from enough people we can show the CCSB who truly runs the school system.
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