Class size increases don't go over well
by Kathryn Dobies
kdobies@mdjonline.com
March 30, 2010 12:00 AM | 2378 views | 24 24 comments | 18 18 recommendations | email to a friend | print
MARIETTA - A hot button issue among many Cobb County School District parents and teachers is Superintendent Fred Sanderson's proposal to increase maximum class sizes, which would not only impact students but also likely force teacher layoffs, Sanderson said at the school board's budget meeting on Thursday.

According to the district, the maximum class size increase would take a kindergarten class from one teacher per 19 students to one teacher for 22 students. In grades one through three, the student-teacher ratio would go from 20-to-1 to 23-to-1; grades four and five from 27-to-1 to 30-to-1; sixth through eighth, from 23.5-to-1 to 30-to-1; and grades nine through 12, from 26-to-1 to 32-to-1.

Increasing class sizes is estimated to save the district $53 million. Sanderson has not specified how many of the district's 8,308 teachers would be laid off as a result of increased class sizes, but said on Thursday it could be as many as several hundred. The district is facing an estimated budget deficit of $137.7 million for fiscal year 2011. The $882 million FY10 budget has already been slashed by more than $95 million. Board member Alison Bartlett, who teaches in Douglas County Schools, has been a persistent voice opposing class size increases since she took office in 2009. Bartlett said last week that increasing class sizes does not correlate with the district's top priority of providing students with a world-class education.

"I'm not OK with cutting the classrooms and parents need to understand that one allotment doesn't mean one student," Bartlett told the Journal last week. "You're not protecting education in the classroom by increasing class sizes."

Angie May, a Cheatham Hill Elementary School mom and vice-chair of the board-appointed SPLOST oversight committee, said she too is concerned that increased class sizes might hinder student achievement.

"That is my No. 1 concern. That is, in fact, the last thing that I would like to see happen," May said. "I would be in support of cutting transportation, dipping into the reserve fund, even cutting extracurricular funding - I know those programs are important, but our basic education in classrooms should be our top priority."

May also said increased class sizes would place an impossible burden on teachers, especially those in elementary schools.

"If you read any sort of education journals, that is the only thing that experts can agree on - there's a strong, strong correlation between student achievement and low student-teacher ratios," May said.

Jan Crane, a Durham Middle School mother and an occasional substitute at Ford Elementary, echoed May's sentiments. As a substitute, Crane has seen firsthand how difficult it is for teachers to manage a large classroom of students, on top of trying to teach them.

"When you're trying to manage a group like that, discipline issues come up," Crane said. "It's very challenging to provide the academic instruction when you're trying to deal with classroom management for such a large number. Twenty to 22 is quite large, and bumping that up to 30, it just seems like a big mistake... (The teachers') desire is to provide a basic education and serve every child, and when they're stretched too thin, they're not able to do their job with the effectiveness that they desire. It just seems like it would be kind of discouraging and overwhelming for them."

Crane said a teacher's one-on-one instruction time with students would diminish and struggling students would fall further behind.

Andrea Young, a Sanders Elementary School mom, added, "The classes now are full and it just seems like if you get more kids into a classroom that's already struggling, some kids are going to get lost. Because if they're not picking it up the first couple of times, it's going to be hard for these teachers to go back and help them."

Student achievement is her main concern, she said.

"I guess if children learned at the same pace, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. But since they don't, I'm not in favor of increasing class sizes," Young said.

Marietta City Schools are also considering increasing class sizes, perhaps by adding two students to a class. Last week, Superintendent Dr. Emily Lembeck presented the Marietta City School Board with her list of proposed cuts, which included an increase of one student per classroom across all grades. That district is facing a budget deficit of about $7 million, and Lembeck calculated that a one-student-per-class increase would save the district a little more than $2 million.

Although Cobb County School District parents like May, Crane and Young understand that cuts do need to be made, they don't see the classroom as the place to make those cuts.

"There are so many other areas where cuts could be made," Crane said. "Things that are going to affect education - it just seems like the wrong thing to do. Why do we have to go straight to the classroom? Why do we have to go straight to the core of what we're trying to do?"

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disgruntled parent
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July 14, 2010
Speaking of coaches Marietta High has hired a big wig AND HIS STAFF to head up their football program and are asking the parents to pay 300.00 for their children to play.And actually sent out notices saying that noone will be able to practice unless these fees are paid!!!
CobbOak
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June 07, 2010
Please help Oakwood High School continue to serve Cobb County Students!

Last Chance, unless you decide to sue because of their violation of due process:

6/9 CCSD Board Meeting

Public Comments - 7:30 AM sign in to speak

Board Meeting, comments - 8:30 AM

514 Glover St. Marietta, Georgia 30080

(Legal Adoption of the FY2011 Budget at Regular Board Meeting)
Flaircloth is right!
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April 01, 2010
Take the CCSD online budget survey. The middle school and high school portions of this survey conveniently take athletic programs “off the table” but leave art and music programs on the chopping block. We all know what programs and employees Coach Sanderson is protecting. Class sizes skyrocket, test scores tank and property values plummet.
Alan Faircloth
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March 31, 2010
I love that CCSD talks about the importance of education but spends money and time and effort to find from Alabama (love to hear what was involved timewise) new Lassiter Football Coach Jep Irwin (effective hire date 3/29/10). Any clues what he is getting paid versus a teacher? More I would bet...a lot more. Then there's the turf issue. SPLOST receipts down by 200 plus million, children in leaky, moldy trailers, and they want to tackle TURF FIRST? Regardless of right or wrong, legal or not, this sends a message about the priorities of CCSD and COACH Sanderson. Now....PLAY BALL!
cobbteach
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March 30, 2010
Don't be fooled by the above numbers. I teach first grade and have had 23 in my class all year this year, we've been told we'll probably start with 27 next year;

the above numbers aren't maximum class size, but funding levels, the numbers will be even higher than those listed and that will be very detrimental, especially in the lower grades.
know the truth
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March 30, 2010
Hmmm, if we cut out the illegals' kids. Made the thugs stay home (or in jail where they belong), then much of the problem would be solved. Look folks, we all know the problems, we just cant say it or deal with it because it would be insensitive or politically incorrect. Are we going to arm the teachers in the south Cobb area? Geesh, what a mess. Soon we will be just like Atlanta and Dekalb (oops, that sounds racist).
cobb science teacher
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March 30, 2010
We currently have 32 in most of our high school science classes now. Our classrooms are built to accomodate 28 students. Where am I to put 3 more students to get to the 35 maximum? Expect fewer labs for your children- it won't be safe.
Cobb teacher
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March 30, 2010
I cannot support higher taxes or larger class sizes UNTIL Cobb county board of education does something about the unnecessary layers of administration at the county office. There is no way we need this many coordinators and supervisors!! Area superintendants need to be the first to go!

Melgr123
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March 30, 2010
I remember sitting in a first grade classroom with 30 little desks all lined up in rows. We didn't get out of our seats unless we had permission. We wouldn't THINK of talking back to the teacher! We didn't have any options (ADD, ADHD, dislexic, special needs, auditory learner, etc). We just sat there and learned what we were taught.
I like to Volunteer
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March 30, 2010
I would coach high school football for free. That should save a little money.
anonymous
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March 30, 2010
Class size wouldn't matter if the kids behaved themselves. Remember going to college and taking classes in the auditorium? Everyone seems to focus on the school district to resolve this problem. I don't see it that way. The citizens of Cobb County need to pay up. If they want their kids to be taught by adequately compensated professionals, the citizens need to rally for higher taxes. All those alleged central office people don't add up the millions needed. No matter what you think about the Board, Fred Sanderson or whoever else you dislike, the district can't solve this problem by themselves. Citizens need to be picketing the Board offices in favor of higher taxes. That's the only way to preserve the schools and our children. Even if taxes went up 10%, that's only about $25 a month. Are our schools not worth that? Oh, that's right again, we don't value schools here.
Concerned!
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March 30, 2010
I teach in Cobb County and have a 2nd grader and a daughter in special needs kindergarten. They (the school board, state legislators, the Governor) should have planned ahead better this crisis. We all knew it was coming! Parents must speak out against increasing class sizes! This is the WORST possible solution.

Teachers will lose jobs and the children will suffer. What can be done? How about a willingness to pay $60-100 more in property tax to save our educational system (even if only for 1 or 2 years). Why not sell naming rights to the schools, stadiums, auditoriums, cafeterias, etc.? We need to think outside of the box and realize that not all taxes are evil. What is more important than the education of our children?
anonymous
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March 30, 2010
Mike, unfortunately you have described many days at our schools anyway. You must be that projectionist!
Mike Jones
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March 30, 2010
I have an idea to save additional money. Put all the kids in the Gymnasium and show them movies all day long. You will need one teacher to run the projector, one to hand out the coke and popcorn and one to guard the entrance to keep them from leaving. When Iowa testing time comes around, hire the teachers from Dekalb County on a temporary basis to administer the test, that way you know "all" the kids will pass.
Too small
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March 30, 2010
The classrooms at our elementary school are just physically too small. We have a hard time fitting in 23 fifth graders now. Where are we supposed to fit another 7? There is no way unless we use that turf and move classrooms outside! Have any of our terrific school board members been inside a classroom lately? The schools weren't built for 30 kids per classroom!
Duh...
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March 30, 2010
"from 23.5-to-1 to 30-to-1" what a joke! This is an AVERAGE!!! My class can have 40 because the special ed class next door has 2 teachers and 6 kids!!!! THAT is what makes the district average 23.5-1.
AngrySoldier
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March 30, 2010
Alison Bartlett will be @ Smitha Middle School Thursday April 1st @ 6pm for a town hall meeting on the budget. Come and be heard!!!
a teacher
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March 30, 2010
Don't forget special education students are above the stated class limit in team taught classes. There are classes in high school with 33 students in them now. Will the limit now be 40? The physical classrooms have difficulty accommodating so many students. There are not enough desks for some classrooms. The test scores are going decline as well as the quality of the education.
southcobbteacher
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March 30, 2010
As a middle school teacher, I promise you that if you increase class size, test scores will drop. We are already stretched too thin, something has to give.
What the!?
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March 30, 2010
Does Marietta City Schools use teachers on staff that are not actually in classrooms full-time to calculate the student teacher ratio?
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