Zoning board denies permit to 4 students
by Katy Ruth Camp
krcamp@mdjonline.com
December 02, 2009 01:00 AM | 2657 views | 15 15 comments | 18 18 recommendations | email to a friend | print
COBB COUNTY - Today's real estate market and economic climate has forced many people into housing situations they say are necessary, even though county code prohibits them. The Cobb County Planning and Zoning Commission heard several such cases at its Tuesday meeting.

Ultimately, the planning commission denied allowing four college students to live in a home on Haverford Lane, but had sympathy for other petitioners with extenuating circumstances.

County code prohibits more than two unrelated people from living together in a residence. Nineteen residents attended the meeting to oppose a permit that would allow four college students to remain living together in a large house at 3080 Haverford Lane in Marietta.

The homeowner's wife, Charles Taylor, said she has rented the home for nine years and this is the first complaint that has been filed. Commission member Mike Terry, however, said that there have been many other complaints concerning the many cars that come and go from the home.

"We put the house on the market a year ago for a reasonable price, but have had to rent it. These are upstanding individuals; they have jobs, are in their last year of school, and the residence is well kept," Taylor said. "We had no idea we were in violation when we rented it to them. We thought a one-family home meant you couldn't turn it into a duplex or triplex."

Lawrence Cohen, who lives near the home, said the county should not make an exception for the students because it would set precedence for similar petitions in the future.

"We have 222 signatures of nearby homeowners who are in opposition to this petition. They disagree with it because they do not want this nice area to become one of a boarding house atmosphere or to create the precedence that others could do this as well," Cohen said.

Nearby resident T. R. Lewis, who said he drives by the home five or six times a day, agreed.

"This is a very proud, family-oriented neighborhood, and it is very obvious that the occupants do not fit the normal dwelling," Lewis said. "Sometimes there are nine cars in the driveway, and there are sheets hanging over some of the windows for curtains. It's really three Greek letters away from being a frat house."

Terry said the county code is clear, and the commission has to follow the code as it has in the past.

"But we also need to be fair and allow these occupants time to move. I think a January 15 deadline is reasonable, as that will be around the time when the new semester will start," Terry said.

The commission then voted 5-0 to deny the petition.

Also Tuesday, James Kiser petitioned to allow seven adults to live in his home, but these adults are related.

"We have all lived together since 1987, and I don't want to break up the family," Kiser said.

But Chairman Murray Homan said that the petition was brought forth due to a complaint that alleged there were too many vehicles at the residence.

"The tax assessor's office puts this house at 1,900 square feet. This gives you five people allowed to live there, but you have seven. But given your medical history, Mr. Kiser, and in the spirit of the holiday season, I would like to give you time to discuss moving into the home next door that is for sale that you have expressed interest in, or for your two grandsons in their 30s that are working full-time to explore other options," Homan said. "With two trailers and nine vehicles, there are a total of 11 structures other than the house on the property, which is only a little over a quarter of an acre. We want to try to help, but there's only so much we can do."

The issue was held until the planning commission's next meeting.

The planning commission approved 4-1 a request from the Cosby family to house their medically impaired mother in a garage apartment on their property at 70 Willard Drive.

The Cosbys purchased the home on the double lot with the intention of allowing the mother to stay in the garage apartment. However, after purchasing the property, they found that this would not be allowed.

But the commission members took their special circumstances into consideration.

"The neighbors that I've spoken with were simply concerned that you would turn the apartment into a rental unit," Commission member Christi Trombetti said. "But as it is apparent you will not. This is the only double lot in the neighborhood, and the circumstances you are under, I motion that we approve the petition for twelve months, with the stipulations that no additions to the house or building be made."

The motion carried 4-1, with Homan in opposition.

Marian Lawton, whose petition was continued from the commission's Nov. 3 hearing, asked that she be allowed to care for six patients in her personal care home as opposed to the four that she is currently allowed to have. This is needed, she said, to offset the cost of installing a sprinkler system, which would be needed if she were to have the four patients that she is allowed to care for in the home.

Terry said the reason the petition was held was so that Marty Gable of the Cobb Fire Marshall's office could look into any possibilities for a waiver of the sprinkler system ordinance.

Gable, however, said that the sprinkler system would have to be installed if Lawton grew her business from the two patients she currently has to four.

"I found that variances are not allowed, as this is state and federally mandated," Gable said.

"We need people like you, Marian, but as you are going to remain the sole caregiver, I think it would be best for you to try out having three or four and see how it goes, put in the sprinkler system, and come back to us next year if you think you can handle six," Terry said.

The petition was denied with a 5-0 motion.
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prouddad
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December 09, 2009
Thank you "friendly neighbor" and others for your encouragement toward these college students. My daughter is one of those who is now looking for a new home when she should be doing her school work. This has been a valuable lesson for them. One I'm certain they'll never forget. My daughter has taken part in no less than 8 foreign and domestic mission trips, which have included assisting flood victims in Missouri as well as poverty stricken areas in Mexico and Nicaragua. She's seen real hardship...this isn't hardship. Shameful, yes, hurtful, to be sure, but hardly the end of the world. She and the others will find another home. And hopefully one day, when they have their own home, and they are forced to decide between being a good neighbor and showing the love and grace that we are commanded by Christ to extend or...being right by the "code" they'll chose wisely. And wouldn't it be something if in that time they were to show grace to a grandchild of one of the 222 who gave them none.
Welcoming Committee
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December 09, 2009
"College Student": Don't let unenlightened and closed minded people make you cynical about all people. Not all middle aged people are nasty. Just keep living right and remember the golden rule even when others don't and good karma will follow you all the days of your lives. Karma will also follow your neighbors - too bad for them. Eveyone's scared right now about their property values, but it sounds as though you will want to be looking for a community that knows the meaning of helping others - and it's obvious that's not where you are now. It's going to be great someday when you are rich and famous and they will have to remember you as the college students that they kicked out of the neighborhood. Hold your heads high and don't stoop to their smallness.
Disheartened Citizen
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December 09, 2009
This entire situation is quite funny. 7 College students living in this house should not devalue the neighborhood. I have driven through that subdivision multiple times and believe me, some of your houses devalue themselves everyday you don't remodel. That is here nor there. Whether it is right or wrong for these individuals to be residing in this "high class" community Landloard mentioned, I believe that there are rules and they have to be followed. However, what of the students who rent a house from a owner who himself is unaware? Are they now as equally responsible? If the lease is carried out and a covenant put in place or whatever old white men do, after they depart the premises, is there any added harm? If the owner considers HIS OWN house to be in fine shape amidst numerous dubious ruffians, why then could they not stay the until the termination of the lease? All sides could go on all day, but who is really thinking about their actions? Nothing like a recession to keep everyone's mind on their wallets and not their fellow man. By the way, is anyone even selling their house in that neighborhood? Do they know it won't be sold until after their lease is up in this market? Geeze. Im getting of my soap box, but I'm carrying it with me.
Friendly Neighbor
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December 08, 2009
I live down the street from 3080, and I for one can personally say that the young men and women who rent out this house are nothing but delightful whenever I've seen them. This "outstanding" community is already littered with cars in yards and I would hardly consider the average front yard around here to be well kept.

It shocks to me to hear so many of my neighbors would blindly put out a group of well to do kids. Perhaps you all should consider talking to the people you've evicted like I have
wondering67
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December 08, 2009
Has anyone talked to the people that live there about the issue?
The Real World
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December 06, 2009
Hey "College Student", you said...'When you are making a car payment, utilities, rent, food, and paying for school out of pocket on a minimum wage job, then you gripe; until then, leave people be and mind your own freaking business and stop judging others.' FYI, I do all of those things you listed in the manor of 2 student loans, 2 vehicles, a mortgage, car/home/health/life insurance, 2 kids, groceries/utilities, etc. so I will judge you with every fiber of my being. Trust me when I say you're not special. Life only gets harder from where you sit now so buckle your chin strap. Save the "if you only knew how tough I have it" cry for your mama.

Landloard Pro
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December 04, 2009
To College Student:

By law I judge people on their own merits and life experiences.

If you can only afford $250 a month plus utilities, what makes you think you should be able to live in a $1000 a month house and that class community? When I was your age, housing was just as expensive in comparison to the income as it is today. We just lived in what we could afford and suffered through it until we made enough money to afford the housing we wanted.

Single-Family Houses are just that Single-Family. They are NOT Congregated Housing ... that is called multi-family housing or apartments. When you can afford better on your own and only have one spouse or roommate, then move into a SINGLE-FAMILY house.

It is this pathetic sense of entitlement of the general populace that they have a constitutional right to own or live in a single-family house that has caused most of this economic mess in the first place.

Live in a dorm or an apartment; get a good paying job; save your money and then after a while, rent or buy a house that you can truly afford on your own without turning a nice house into a rooming flop house.

Stepping down from soap box ...
Love the '50s
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December 04, 2009
Tell me where to find a neigborhood stuck in teh 50's and I'll buy a house there immediately.
College Student
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December 03, 2009
You people have no clue what a bad name a handful of college students have done to the rest of us who are truly trying to make it. Sometimes, it takes 4 people to pay the rent so that people can afford housing. Everything is so ridiculously priced, renting a home with a handful of people is considerably cheaper. I think one person/instance should not speak for the rest of us. Each individual needs to be looked at as an individual, and not as a "one of them". When you are making a car payment, utilities, rent, food, and paying for school out of pocket on a minimum wage job, then you gripe; until then, leave people be and mind your own freaking business and stop judging others.
Landlord Pro
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December 03, 2009
Good for the Zoning Board following the rules and not making exceptions.

Good or bad, Cobb County adopted the Athens, GA occupancy code to protect its citizens from any housing being turned into a defacto rooming house. I've been a professional landlord for many years and there are VERY few multiple unrelated roommates leases that have ever turned out well.

Generally speaking, even the 20 somethings students with full time jobs rarely ever abide by the lease rules, clean properly, maintain the lawns properly and tear up a house. This even with mom & dad co-siging the lease!

One of the biggest issues is the revolving door. Rarely does a one year lease complete with 3-4 roommates staying the entire year. One or two may, but others have "circumstances" and they just move out leaving their roommates and the landlord holding the bag.

Sure, you can sue them to seek redress, but dealing with it up front and limiting the occupancy to no more than two unrelated adults really helps.

I provide to my residents a copy of the brochure that Cobb County Zoning Enforcement produced entitled "Commmon Violations ...". It really helps the rental houses be better neighbors to the owner occupants.

By the way ... did all of you realize that this occupancy code also applies to owner-occupants??

Family person
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December 03, 2009
I know from experience in my neighborhood that when college students move into a house, there is no upkeep. Monday mornings the yard and street are littered with coolers, chairs, beer cans, and other assorted trash. After the house has been virtually trashed - they move on -- leaving homes devalued.
Hangwithem
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December 02, 2009
Good for the Commission. Reality, What decade is your mentality? What does 9 cars parked at a single family dwelling in a residential community have anything to do with 1950's mindset?? It's clear that RealityBites likely has no idea how to spell "Mortgage" and lacks understanding of the concept of property value. Save the shallow thought for those following your Twitter page. FYI...born 1970's.
Take Another Bite
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December 02, 2009
"1950s"?? I must've missed it...When did Cobb jump ahead twenty years??
Kennesaw Resident
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December 02, 2009
This has become a problem in my neighborhood and the City of Kennesaw will not do anything about it. I have no objection to an older college student (or couple) renting in my subdivision but when 15-20 of them move into a house -- that's too much.
RealityBites
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December 02, 2009
Considered how bad the economy is, the commission should show a little compassion towards struggling students. Older college students should not have to be relegated to dorms or apartment dwelling. The 1950's mindset of Cobb County is going to continue to set it back.
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