Marietta citizens decry Common Core: Out of 19 who spoke, only 3 in favor of new standards
by Aimee Sachs
September 05, 2014 04:00 AM | 4477 views | 24 24 comments | 9 9 recommendations | email to a friend | print
A resounding majority of the citizens who spoke at a Common Core forum Thursday had nothing good to say about the national education standards.

Of the 19 parents, teachers and concerned citizens who spoke at Marietta High School, only three were in favor of Common Core.

Some suggested the Common Core material was “filled with propaganda” and as one parent put it, “flat-out sucks.”

Georgia Board of Education member Scott Johnson sat on the stage and listened as they voiced concerns.

About 75 people were in attendance.

“From what I understand, this is one of the best, if not the best attended as well as the speeches,” Johnson said.

Cobb resident Jan Barton said Common Core “is not rigorous and is dumbing our children down.”

Robin Dye, a parent of elementary school students, began her remarks by reading an excerpt of a book she said was on the reading list for high school juniors.

The passage began with “a bolt of desire” and the following sentences read as an adult romance novel, with explicit content and profanity.

“It is time to do the right thing, and the right thing is to understand what is in this material and how bad it is,” Dye said.

Tiffany Fanin, a special education social studies teacher at South Cobb High School, also criticized Common Core. Fanin said while she has a passion for teaching, “it’s really hard for me to do that when I’m looking down the barrel of a test that I don’t even know what it looks like.

“I’m banging my head against the wall here,” she said. “It’s not fair to the kids, and it’s not fair to me.”

First to speak in favor of Common Core was Charlie Harper, editor of the political blog Peach Pundit.

“We’ve been 49th in education my entire lifetime,” Harper said. “We’ve got to do better. Change scares us all, but there’s a reason for it.”

When another supporter stated “there wasn’t an outcry before,” a woman in the audience interjected, “That’s because we didn’t know about it.”

Supporters of Common Core say the initiative creates a consistent set of education standards across the country, proving helpful, for example, to military families when they move from one state to another.

Critics view Common Core as a move to federalize education, taking away local control.

Among the speakers was Cobb Board of Education Chairwoman Kathleen Angelucci, who said during her remarks Common Core was an “absolute overreach of the federal government.”

After the hourlong forum, Angelucci said people are researching Common Core and drawing their own conclusions.

“I think you’re going to see this more and more,” she said. “There are more and more parents and citizens that don’t even have children that understand what this means to us in the long run.”

After listening to the commentary, Johnson thanked the crowd and spoke with attendees afterward.

“This has been a lesson in democracy tonight,” he told the crowd. “We’re all stakeholders in education.”

The Georgia General Assembly nearly pulled the state out of Common Core this spring, but ultimately opted not to. State school board members are holding public hearings across Georgia to hear what residents have to say about Common Core as part of the board’s evaluation of the standards.

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September 12, 2014
Working in the back of my son's third grade classroom in west Cobb and listening to the "common core" math lesson happening at the moment. A kid reading: "Ish....Ish...Ish...." Teacher: "Ismael, it's a name..." Kid: "Ismael had nine hundred ninety six..." Other kids are commenting: "What kind of a name is Ismael?" "Ismael?"

How much math is really getting done here? And the was 9-11. But isn't it so important that we expose our kids to other culture's names? All it does is distract from the math lesson and make it difficult for kids to read the problems. Just go with Bob or John and DO THE MATH.
Frank S.
September 06, 2014
"Flat out sucks"? Yes, these parents are qualified to determine best practices in education.
September 06, 2014
Given the venue, 19 to 3 is not surprising. The Common Core is one of the other issues that generate steam in debates

between and among school boards, educators, and teacher organizations.

Opponents of Common Core take the position that assails what they call the growing

socialist federalism by the past administrations and the present one as well. Student

privacy is also a big sore point for this group, but there is little association with social

media and how it compares to what data is collected to track learning and skills


On the face of it, these state standards outline the experience teachers must strive to

instill in students uniformly, sounds reasonable and what should be taking place in

school systems across the nation. Whether existing state standards are more

effective in producing favorable learning outcomes or less effective that common

core remains unresolved.
Common Core insanity
September 06, 2014
Remember the pied piper? Well these folks are following the right wing propaganda just like folks followed the pied piper. From weapons of mass destruction to Obama being a Muslim to Obama's birthplace, to health care will destroy the US, to Socialism, to Bengazi, and now they follow this Common Core insanity.
Samuel Adams
September 12, 2014
Please read the book: "12 Hours in Benghazi" by the men who were there, left to die by the Obama administration and only survived because of their warrior expertise. Watch these mens' interviews and then mock Benghazi again, you dolt.

Your argument for Common Core (because you know nothing about it) is a joke.
September 06, 2014
That Johnson holds this position is part of the problem.

He's a banker and politician.
facts before party
September 05, 2014
I just want some of these anti-common core folk to list some facts about why they don't like it. To say it has propaganda is not a fact, give examples that prove your point.

Just because you see examples of curriculum that you don't understand doesn't mean it isn't effective and proper.

Also understand that the common core is a set of standards; as in Johnny must know A, B and C before he finishes kindergarten. It does not dictate how those standards are taught in our classroooms.

Concerned mom of 3
September 05, 2014
What do educational and childhood development experts say is

wrong with CCSS?

1. The standards are not developmentally appropriate. The CCSS ignored stacks of

scientific research about how children develop, learn and grow.

2. The curriculum was not written by educators, or even experts in the respective fields of

study. The content is not laid out to build needed foundations. It is often full of

inappropriate content, factual and reasoning errors, or it’s just plain wrong.

3. CCSS was designed to be implemented through an expanding regime of high-stakes

tests, which consume large amounts of classroom time and school funding to administer.

In Georgia, these are called the GMAP, GKIDS, EOC, and GA Milestones.

4. The CCSS collects student and teacher data on a very large scale. This data is

collected, stored and sold by corporations for profit. This includes test scores, grades,

behavior, medical information and more. There are immense privacy concerns about how

the data is stored, sold and linked to each child. In Georgia, Google holds the contract for

data storage and security.

5. The CCSS is not based on any external evidence, has no research to support it, has

never been tested, and is privately copy written so it cannot be corrected or changed.

6. When reviewed by math and language experts the standards are shown to be less

challenging than the old standards. Twelve states found that previous standards were in

fact superior to CCSS. Georgia was one of those 12.
Papermill gal
September 12, 2014
OK, here was something that happened on 9-11.

My son's class was doing math together. I was in the back of the class grading papers. (our teachers have gone AGAINST the recommendations of Common Core and are still giving timed math tests, tried and true indicators of kids' learning).

They read a math problem where "Ishmael" is featured prominently. The kids cannot read the word. Precious learning time is spent by the teacher explaining that Ishmael is a name and trying to put the attention back onto the math problem, rather than the guerilla cultural warfare exposure of our kids to a predominently Muslim, Middle Eastern name. It's just ridiculous.
September 05, 2014
The world needs ditch diggers, too, anti-Common Core parents.
September 06, 2014
Ooohhh...common core WILL make sure there are pleeeeenty of ditch diggers...and gender studies experts and community organizers.

We will be importing thinkers from India and China.
September 05, 2014
re: CCSD Chairwoman Kathleen Angelucci, who said during her remarks Common Core was an “absolute overreach of the federal government.”

If we dig a little deeper, we find that the true root origin of Common Core is the United Nations' Agenda 21 dream.

The UN has grand plans to force their policies/directives upon the United States of America.

September 05, 2014
You are correct, however most will never do the research necessary to understand this.
September 07, 2014
Sadly, you are correct, Watcher.

Equally as sad is that most people have no clue what you are talking about and will not take any steps to understand.
Military Dad
September 05, 2014
This has been a great benefit to our military families. Now the same basic curriculum is taught nationwide at the same age level and general pace. I have heard some complaints about Common Core but most have been addressed and overall it is a great improvement.
Momof 2
September 05, 2014
So you are fine if your child is ready for multiplication, but not allowed to progress because CCS doesn’t allow introduction to multiplication until the next year?

What is wrong with teaching kids what they are ready to learn?

My biggest complaints with CCS are (1) calling simple logic algebra (2)not following brain development thus introducing some concepts too early and others too late.
September 05, 2014
Please don't have anymore children
Army Wife/Mom
September 05, 2014
Participation is mandated by the State Board of Education because Georgia opted to

receive “Race to the Top” funding (a portion of Obama’s stimulus package). This funding

had to be accepted before the standards were even finished. David Coleman, lead

architect of the standards, traveled from state to state, convincing Governors to apply for

this grant and accept the standards sight unseen. The grant was submitted and accepted

with only two Georgia signatures, the State Superintendent and the Governor. The state,

districts and local schools have NO SAY in the implementation of CCSS.

Marine Mom
September 10, 2014
This is bogus and there is NO PROOF that it's helping military kids.

As a military brat growing up (moving at least once per year until 7th grade) and now a military spouse, I can speak to this. My education in the 60s and 70s without Common Core was completely great. Did I miss a chapter about mythology? Perhaps, but it was worth it to NOT have the Federal Government and LIBERAL terrorists such as Wm. Ayers tell teachers what thoughts to put into my head....

Plus, and this has to be said, to think ANY liberal educrat/Pentagon bombing terrorist or their cronies gives a RIP about military kids is simply ludicrous!!! The people who make Common Core traditionally hate our "military-industrial complex" including military kids. You should know this.
East Cobber
September 05, 2014
To quote Forest Gump, "stupid is as stupid does..."
Margaret Thomson
September 05, 2014
This just shows how ignorant most people are. How do they think we can compete in the world if we can't even meet minimal national standards? Georgia is at a the very bottom of nearly every national list of ANYTHING, yet people insist on maintaining Georgia ways. Stupid.
Concerned mother
September 05, 2014
National Standards? "There were actually FOUR members of the validation committee that refused to sign off on the standards. All of whom have written standards, unlike those who wrote the Common Core Standards. These people KNOW how bad they are and that they WILL NOT do what the backers and pushers of the CCSS say they will do!" - Angela Davidson Weinzinger

September 06, 2014
This shows how ignorant you are. Most Georgia schools ARE doing a great job. There is a lot of great teachers and great teaching going on. No matter what standards, curriculum, or anything else you throw at us, we always step up to the plate. The one thing that has not changed is the PARENTS!. A large amount of parents are not making sure children come to school ready, homework done, not even making them come to school. There is not discipline coming from the home and no incredible standards will fix that. Why should all the blame be put on the teachers and none on the home? When does the home get evaluated and punished if it is not living up to the standards that everyone else things they should? Let me come to your job, tell you that you are not doing a good job (with factors beyond your control) and then tell you how to do the job. So frustrated!

@ Concerned mother
September 06, 2014
In the interest of of balanced discussion and since you appear to know that "FOUR members of the validation committee" refused to sign off on the standards, please tell us how many on the validation committee actually supported the standard.

Here's the short list and it appears that far more may have supported than not supported the standards.


David Conley—Professor and Director of the Center for Educational Policy Research, Educational Methodology, Policy, and Leadership at the University of Oregon’s College of Education.

Brian Gong—Executive Director of the National Center for the Improvement of Educational Assessment.


Bryan Albrecht—President of Gateway Technical College, Kenosha, Wis.

Arthur Applebee—Distinguished Professor of Education and Director of the Center on English Learning & Achievement at the University at Albany–State University of New York.

Sarah Baird—Mathematics Specialist/Teacher, Kyrene Elementary School District,Tempe,Ariz

Kristin Buckstad Hamilton—Nationally Board Certified Teacher, Battlefield Senior High School, National Education Association

Jere Confrey—Senior Research Fellow and Joseph D. Moore Distinguished Professor at The William & Ida Friday Institute for Educational Innovation, North Carolina State University’s College of Education.

Linda Darling-Hammond—Charles Ducommon Professor of Education and Co-Director of the School Redesign Network at Stanford University’s School of Education.

Alfinio Flores—Hollowell Professor of Mathematics Education in the Department of Mathematical Sciences and School of Education at the University of Delaware’s College of Education & Public Policy.

Kenji Hakuta—Lee L. Jacks Professor of Education at Stanford University’s School of Education.

Feng-Jui Hsieh—Associate Professor in the Mathematics Department at the National Taiwan Normal University.

Mary Ann Jordan—Teacher, NewYork City Dept. of Education,American Federation of Teachers

Jeremy Kilpatrick—Regents Professor of Mathematics Education at the University of Georgia.

Dr. Jill Martin—Principal, Pine Creek High School

R. James Milgram—Emeritus Professor at Stanford University’s Department of Mathematics.

David Pearson—Professor and Dean of the Graduate School of Education at the University of California–Berkeley.

Steve Pophal—Principal, D.C. Everest Junior High

Stanley Rabinowitz—Director,Assessment & Standards Development Services at WestEd in San Francisco.

Lauren Resnick—Professor and Director of the Institute for Learning at the University of Pittsburgh.

Andreas Schleicher—Head of the Indicators and Analysis Division with the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development’s Directorate for Education.

William Schmidt—University Distinguished Professor and Co-Director of Michigan State University’s Education

Policy Center.

Catherine Snow—Henry Lee Shattuck Professor of Education, Harvard Graduate School of Education.

Christopher Steinhauser—Superintendent of Schools, Long Beach Unified School District, California.

Sandra Stotsky—Endowed Chair in Teacher Quality at the University of Arkansas’s Department of Education Reform and Chair of the Sadlier Mathematics Advisory Board.

Dorothy Strickland—Distinguished Research Fellow at the National Institute for Early Education Research and the

Samuel DeWitt Proctor Chair in Education at Rutgers University.

Martha Thurlow—Director, National Center on Educational Outcomes.

Norman L.Webb—Senior Research Scientist with the Wisconsin Center for Education Research and the National Institute for Science Education, both based at the University of Wisconsin–Madison’s School of Education.

Dylan William—Director, Learning and Teaching Research Center at the Educational Testing Service.
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