Foley’s views on conservative women condescending
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DEAR EDITOR: Re: Kevin Foley column, “With ‘friends’ like these, conservative women don’t need enemies,” in Friday’s MDJ

Did Kevin Foley fall into a bathtub with his blow dryer or what? Just like Mel Gibson, who did that in some movie and woke up wearing panty hose and hearing the thoughts of women all around, Foley is now convinced he knows the minds of conservative women. And he ... is so sad for us. How condescending.

All of Mr. Foley’s columns are revealing, but Friday’s was the crown jewel, revealing how little he understands about non-progressive women who are educated more deeply on issues than the propaganda he spews, both in his columns and his PR business.

Reeling off various straw men and dropping marginal names to make his unintelligible points, Foley forgets many of us were schooled before Common Core, when we learned about Marxism and political theory and what a threat his chosen ideals are to liberty, freedom and prosperity.

Obamacare — the government takeover of our health care — is hurting, maybe even killing, real people and devastating the already broken economy. Promises of “shovel ready” jobs were a lie and Obama knew it. Birth control is a red herring and many conservative women don’t vote based on abortion — at all. We don’t think of ourselves as an “interest group.” but as fully contributing Americans who want to do what’s right for the country.

Foley’s hero, the grad student (Sandra Fluke) who had 15 minutes of fame because she’d rather pay for overpriced coffee than her own birth control, is but a joke to many of us, an example of whining progressive womanhood who doesn’t see how lucky she has it.

I know those panty hose are tight, Kev. But cheer up. While you struggle with them, conservative women like Nikki Hailey, Mia Love, Liz Cheney, Karen Handel and others have us covered, boldly communicating the conservative standard of liberty, freedom from political overreach, prosperity and reform — all the things you “progressives” hate.

Laura Armstrong

West Cobb

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What a difference
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February 26, 2014
What a difference in the type of writing that Laura does compared to Kevie. We miss you Laura and your well-thought-out columns.
Kevin Foley
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February 25, 2014
@ Red Westside - I have long since stopped expecting anything rational from Laura Armstrong. Her criticism of me always follows the same pattern, no matter the subject.

My thesis here: Conservative male politicians don't care about women's issues. I then set out to support my point with verifiable facts.

Her response: "Benghazi, IRS, Obamacare, Common Core, panty hose, Marxism, red herring, and Liz Cheney (who dropped out of the Wyoming Senate race because she nearly destroyed her family by disavowing her lesbian sister)."

What I am hoping with all my heart is that there are other more thoughtful, rational conservative women around here who will read and consider what I wrote before they vote for a conservative man who thinks Ted Nugent is a thought leader.

I'll have more on the subject in my Friday column.
Laura Armstrong
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February 25, 2014
Never said one word about Benghazi. Pushed back on your use of a dead state legislator who never saw one piece of his legislation go through. Don't watch FOX news, it's usually homework time at my house when it's on. Don't care about Ted Nugent. His music never appealed to my pop sensibilities.

You harp about the fake war on women, yet don't care that millions of hard working people are seeing their insurance decimated, premiums hiked. Those are the verifiable facts. Nobody EVER came between me and my health care provider, until Obama. And oh yeah, he lied like a dog about Benghazi, lied to the victims' families. If you don't have a problem with that, you should.
Samuel Adams
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February 25, 2014
Face it Foley, Obamacare -- a middle-aged, elitist, golf-playing, smoke toking half black guy controlling one sixth of our economy and ratcheting up the destruction of the best health care system in the world -- is SO MUCH MO Better than Bobby Franklin talking to the wind down at the Gold Dome.

You don't even see it, do you?
CobbCoGuy
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February 25, 2014
"And he ... is so sad for us."

That pretty much sums it up.

Nicely done, Laura.
anonymous
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February 25, 2014
Please stand by for government mandated trans-vaginal ultrasounds!
Papermill gal
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February 25, 2014
Would this be another Obamacare discovery amidst the legislation that had to be voted in, "so we can see what's in it?"

Thanks Pelosi. And when my kid needs a lung transplant, I'll remember how you and Foley were concerned about the free birth control, but gave Obama and Sebelius a pass on killing the kid.
AmericanMale
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February 25, 2014
@LA - Crud! Now you've given me a visual of KF in pantyhose. If I can't sleep tonight, it's YOUR fault!

@Lib - Well, there you go again... a red herring response rather than a cogent counter argument. BTW, for the record, I believe the one mandating what procedures are and aren't covered is a middle-aged black guy. Regardless, Laura and others like her are smart enough to do what's right, not just fall in line with the liberal Gestapo. Funny how a strong, self-sufficient conservative woman threatens the liberal mindset!
Red Westside
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February 25, 2014
Laura,let's take KF's points one by one, please feel free to correct any errors:

Do conservative women want to earn the same pay as men for performing the same job?

Yes is the only answer that makes sense.

Do conservative women want their sons and daughters serving in the military if there’s a chance they’ll be sexually assaulted by their superiors?

Probably Not.

Do conservative women want high quality public school education for their children, pre-K through 12?

I'm guessing: Yes.

Do conservative women want their parents’ Social Security or Medicare cut or privatized?

I'm guessing: No. U

Do Representatives Paul Broun, Phil Gingrey and Jack Kingston hope to cut SS or medicare?

Yes.

Are Libs discussing thesse issues?

Obviously: Yes.

Are conservatives discussing them?

Only in letters to the editor. Even then, they just conclude that the writer is full of BS without ANY critical analysis.

Just because you do not want to deal with an issue does not mean it will disappear. Others will deal with it and without any input from those who ignore it.
East Cobb Senior
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February 25, 2014
Laura, you are absolutely right on with your description of Kevin Foley and his columns. He and Lib in Cobb are so blinded by their liberal maniacal ideology that they couldn't see the truth if it kicked them squarely in their teeth. To them it doesn't matter how much "The Liar in Chief" ignores the truth, they will defend him and their horrid liberal progressive colleagues to the end. They will skew any fact to justify their nationally dangerous agenda.
Old timer
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February 25, 2014
Laura, your comments are spot on. Thank you.
Kevin Foley
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February 25, 2014
Laura, once again you touch all the latest Fox-promoted, Roger "Have Sex With Me, Young Lady, and I'll Pay you $100 More a Week" Ailes talking points.

Marxism? Panty hose? Common Core? Obamacare killing people? WTF?

I know it's difficult for you to fathom, but stay with me here: To those old pasty overfed millionaires like recovering drug addict Rush Limbaugh you're just an object, to be used and then sent back in silence to the kitchen.

East Cobb Senior
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February 25, 2014
So typical Foley, vicious asinine condescending hyperbole when you has no other truthful basis for rebuttal. Here is one truth for you Foley, over 70% of those that supported Obama in the last election regret their vote. It's unfortunate that they fell for the outright lies of "The Liar in Chief" (If you like your health care you can keep it, and if you like your Doctors you can keep them, PERIOD). Apparently to you and your other lemming liberal cohorts, truth and honesty are alien concepts. You, Obama, Pelosi, Reed and the rest of the Liberal Democrat establishment continually reinforce the truism that liberals and progressives will say anything and do anything to achieve their ideological goals. What is more scary is the fact that over 80% of the German electorate regretted their vote for Hitler, but it was too late, he ignored the Reichstag (German Parliament) began governing by "executive fiat" and we see what it got them and the turmoil he wrought on the world. Let's hope the 2014 and 2016 elections reverse the social, economic and disastrous liberal policies of the last six years. We have a Constitution that provides checks and balances that are being completely ignored by Obama. The American people are sick and tired of the unconstitutional usurpation of power by this lying dictatorial charlatan in the White House and what it is reeking upon this nation.
Guido Sarducci
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February 25, 2014
Kevin, thank you for proving, once again, that you are immature, egotistical and so predictable that people play you like a monkey on a string.
Foley boring
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February 25, 2014
Foley only knows how to parrot dem talking points. If he had an original thought, it would be a stunner for all of us, and most especially, for him!!
Guido Sarducci
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February 25, 2014
Lib, thanks to you, I lost a bet with myself. I had a bet on whether you or Foley would be the first to

try to diffuse Laura's trashing of Foley's latest

BS.

As I have said before, you are both so immature and predictable that we play you like cheap fiddles.

BTW, Bobby Franklin posed so many crackpot ideas that he was almost qaulified to be a Democrat. To the credit of the Georgia legislature, damned few of them every got to first base.
Kevin Foley
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February 25, 2014
Guido (whoever you are) - More of that civil discourse you long for, I see.
Lib in Cobb
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February 25, 2014
It's good fortune that Franklin is dead. Bobby (only in the south is a grown man named Bobby) Franklin was the quintessential GOP nutcase.
Laura Armstrong
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February 25, 2014
In good liberal form, relishing that a man is dead. Good people need to stand up to your crap, Lib in Cobb. That's what brings me to my computer.

I only hope the chance reader will see who you really are through your false concern for the people...a demagogue following the example of nasty politicians like Pelosi, trying to destroy our liberty and lying to achieve your goals.
Ben Twomey
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February 25, 2014
Laura, a very nice takedown of the local liberal spin doctor. As usual, Kevin Foley was blowing smoke at a subject about which he has zero knoweldge.
Kevin Foley
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February 25, 2014
I know a lot more about women than you do, Ben.
West Cobb
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February 25, 2014
I hardly think that reading "Cosmopolitan" while waiting at Supercuts qualifies one as an expert, Mr. Foley.
Lib in Cobb
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February 25, 2014
@Laura: So, it seems you enjoy aging white men telling you what medical procedures and medications can be had by women. Did you like the idea which was presented a few years ago by

the now deceased state rep. Bobby Franklin that any woman who had a miscarriage would be investigated? You claim, you don't like government over reach, just how far of a reach into your womb would be ok?
anonymous
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February 25, 2014
Kevin aka libincobb -

I see you reach for hyperbole of the highest. It simply tells me that your alter ego--kevin-- just got his butt kicked by Laura.

Laura Armstrong
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February 25, 2014
Kevin, I wrote a quite harsh column about Bobby Franklin's proposal, but never, not once, had a fear that his marginal ideas would penetrate our flawed but great system. That's what is great about America -- people can be "out there." I did question his district, and the apathy of those who continued to put him in office.

Quit playing on people's fears. Surprise, even my twenty something daughters and their friends believe this bogus idea of a Republican "war on women" is a hoax to distract them from the fact that their opportunities to succeed overall in life are hurt by liberal plans of redistribution, nationalized health care and zero job growth. Obama's legacy will be remembered as the most insensitive, divisive and pathetic in history.
Laura Armstrong
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February 25, 2014
One more VERY important fact: Obamacare tells ALL of us what procedures we can and cannot have. HIS Secretary Sebelius TOLD a little girl that she could not have a very important lung transplant...a cold hearted symptom of Obama's CONTROL over health care. Only after a judge overturned this horrid decision was that little girl able to get the care she needed. You minimize THIS yet try to focus on birth control? And Republicans who never even made it an issue? PUH-LEASE!!!!
Casey in TX
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March 14, 2014
Laura,

In regards to these comments: "Obamacare tells ALL of us what procedures we can and cannot have. HIS Secretary Sebelius TOLD a little girl that she could not have a very important lung transplant...a cold hearted symptom of Obama's CONTROL over health care." I assume you are referring to the case of Sarah Murnaghan in Pennsylvania. If so, then your remarks are simply not accurate and distort, either intentionally or unintentionally, the facts about the Affordable Care Act.

It was neither Secretary Sebelius nor the ACA that dictated whether or not Murnaghan would receive a lung transplant. In fact, it was the UNOS (United Network for Organ Sharing) transplant policy that was the deciding factor. The policy was revised in 2004 and again in 2008, before either President Obama or Secretary Sebelius took office and long before the ACA was signed into law.

The UNOS policy is used to prioritize patients for transplants based partially on the urgency of their need but states that children under 12 are granted lungs on a first-come, first-served basis due to the fact there are far fewer donor lungs available for children under the than there are for adults. This is a long standing policy supported by doctors nationwide and regularly debated and reviewed by bioethicists. Is there any truly fair, easy, way to decide who gets a transplant and who does not? No. But having something in place like the UNOS policy is as close as we can get until science, stem cells, and biological 3D printing allow us to "manufacture" organs on an as needed basis.

It could be argued that Murnaghan's parents actually played a PR game by publicly writing to Secretary Sebelius, knowing that the media would jump on the story in light of the recent storm surrounding the ACA and those who oppose or support it. Nor do I blame them; she's their child and they're doing everything in their power to save her life. I'd fight like hell for my children, too. But the fact that she's a 10-year old child, or any other emotional factors that pull on one's heart strings, shouldn't factor into the decisions doctors make regarding transplants. Who's to say Murnaghan is more deserving of new lungs than any other child? Or who should say a child is more deserving of a transplant than an adult who might be the parent of a 10-year old that needs their mother alive and healthy? It's a challenging, emotionally and morally loaded question, no doubt but it has NOTHING to do with President Obama, Secretary Sebelius, or the ACA.

You can disagree with the President and have valid complaints about the ACA, but facts are important. The truth is important. And, in this case, the truth is "Obamacare" had nothing to do with it.
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