School calendar group to meet 3 times in August
by Lindsay Field
lfield@mdjonline.com
July 27, 2012 01:13 AM | 5096 views | 51 51 comments | 7 7 recommendations | email to a friend | print
MARIETTA — The 21-member committee formed to help determine which school calendar best suits the Cobb school district will meet three times in August.

The group, which consists of eight parents, two community representatives, five central office staff members and six local school employees, will meet from 2 to 4 p.m. Aug. 1, Aug. 22 and Aug. 29 in the school board room at 514 Glover Street in Marietta.

Superintendent Dr. Michael Hinojosa originally said the meetings would be closed, but after talking to Board Attorney Clem Doyle about recent revisions to the Open Meetings Act regarding committee meetings, he decided that the meetings would be open to the public.

Dr. Angela Huff, the district’s new chief of staff, will be leading the meetings along with Deputy Superintendent Dr. Cheryl Hungerford.

Huff said the group would talk about what calendar is most appropriate for Cobb students and staff, and after the Aug. 29 meeting, she will make a recommendation to Hinojosa, who will ask for a vote from the school board sometime before or during the October board meetings.

The eight parents, who were selected by the 9th District PTA Council, are Sarah Regitz and Abby Shiffman, with the East Cobb County Council; Robb Stanek and Lisa Miller, Jessye Coleman Council; Brandi O’Reilly and Kevin Jabbari, Tom Mathis Sr. Council; and Carolyn Pusey-Wade and Janis Stevenson, South Cobb Council.

The two community representatives, who were selected by Hinojosa, are Dr. Arlinda Eaton, dean of Kennesaw State University’s Bagwell College of Education, and Wayne Dodd, board of directors and South Cobb Council vice chairman at the Cobb Chamber of Commerce.

The five central office employees, who were selected by the senior staff, are John Stafford, graduation coordinator; Darryl York, director of policy development; Gary Markham, supervisor of band and orchestra; Glen Brown, acting executive director of SPLOST; and Leanne Wood, assessment program manager.

The six local school employees, who were selected by area assistant superintendents, are Anthony Pearson, Mableton Elementary; Lisa Williams, Osborne High; Carole Brink, Dickerson Middle; Ed Wagner, Sprayberry High; Coy Dunn, Kennesaw Mountain High; and Cindy Stigall, Due West Elementary.

The committee was approved in December 2011 after originally being voted down 1-6 with only board member David Banks approving in October. The original 27-member committee included votes from board members.
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ivotedtim
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July 31, 2012
Lot's of great comments posted regarding the issue. I am totally in favor of after Labor day but I KNOW it will never happen and DO want a compromise hybrid.

The idea of a 4 day week-end here or there is great. (no need for a week at Thanksgiving.) The point about NOT starting Aug.1 or school in July for tourism and jobs for kids is great. The bus driver's point about Aug.1 heat is great. The poster who mentioned the school as a baby sitter could not BE more RIGHT, as I have witnessed this numerous times.

The poster who again stated the majority want balanced summer school as matter of truth is again expressing a misguided opinion, not fact. (Put it on a ballot prove me wrong, I dare you.)

The committee will be seen as a puppet committee whose non scientific monkey surevy methods will be considered laughable, UNLESS they do the right thing and recommend a vote, on a ballot, in a NOVEMBER election. This school system runs on tax dollars from everyone, not just the crazies on both sides of the calendar debate.
Candidate v Calendar
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July 30, 2012
While I respect everyone's "position" on the calendar, wouldn't we (as taxpayers) want to educate the most number of days available for the cost, WITHOUT CUTTING TEACHERS. I believe the reduction in the # OF DAYS we educate is WAY more important than WHAT days we educate. If you care that much about a calendar, then homeschool. If the balanced calendar REDUCES EXPENSES so that we can add back educational days, then let's do it. If it is less $ to start later, then so be it. This election is NOT about a calendar. It is about representation for the NEXT 4 YEARS. Do you want a 73 yo representing our children? I know my parents, who are younger than that, leave it up to those with a dog in the fight. We should know best, right?
Next Door Neighbor
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July 30, 2012
This year, the state of Alabama passed a law that requires schools to not start no more than 2 weeks before Labor Day and must finish before Memorial Day. The intent is to increase tourism money. Schools are shortening Thanksgiving break (remember we got out early on Wednesday and had Thursday-Friday off) and Christmas/Winter break is shorter. They still have spring break.

When my now 8th grader started school, we didn't have a full week at Thanksgiving and I disagree with having so much time off after new year. I think it would be much better to shorten those breaks, add a few long weekends in instead and keep the start date as late as possible in August. There is a compromise out there and if people would work together to come up for what is best for the CHILDREN we can make it work. Otherwise, we may be looking at mandates like Alabama and then we risk no one being happy.

Also, please remember it's ALL about STUDENT EDUCATION and not at all about the teachers. The teachers have their education and choose to teach, the children are the ones we need to worry about.

Teacher response
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July 30, 2012
I am a CCSD teacher and totally agree with you. My experience is that the younger teachers want the balanced calendar. Truly the state should have a law that prohibits school to begin before Labor Day. The south is the onlyplace you will find entire weeks for conferences, the whole week for Thanksgiving, and two weeks at Christmas. It is absurd and we don't think about what is best for the kids. It is all about the parents and teachers.
Honor Student
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July 30, 2012
I have been reading and listening to all these adults on the school board yell & scream at each other about what is best for the kids. However, they never ask the kids what they want. I speak for the ENTIRE student body of Cobb County by saying that we are underrepresented.

The CCSD believes that the "traditional calendar" is better than the "balanced calendar." Possibly due to the economic benefits, but it KILLS us as students. I am an honors/AP student with a 4.32 GPA. However, the lack of breaks is killing me during the semester and I am not performing as well as I would like to/am capable of. CCSD needs to take STUDENTS into consideration when making decisions. Possibly have a representative from each school attend the board meetings to assist. Right now, we are being ignored while the so-called "adults" yell at each other at what is best.

Want to see some significant academic improvements from myself & the rest of the students in the CCSD? Switch back to the balanced calendar and let us rest so we are able to perform at maximum capacity.

Thank you.
Breaks with strings
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July 30, 2012
Teachers already expect children to work on projects over spring break and Thanksgiving. The 'balanced calendar' breaks are just time off for the teachers and the older students (middle school and up) will be expected by some teachers to work on projects/read/study. It's really less break time for the kids. If those weeks were during the summer, the kids would have the time off too.
How sweet
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July 30, 2012
Let me tell you something sweetie. Back when I was in school we had 7 classes, began school after Labor day, only had Thursday and Friday of Thanksgiving off, one week at Christmas, and one week at spring break, and we performed very well. The new generation of "protect the children's self esteem" is out of control. We are raising lazy children or maybe you just took on more than needed. Most schools are now on a block schedule to control the crowds. 4 classes is a joke. I congratulate you on the wonderful GPA, but have no sympathy about you desiring breaks every 9 weeks!
kids are not adults
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July 30, 2012
I've reached my limit of hearing school days compared with corporate days. CHILDREN ARE NOT BUSINESS EMPLOYEES! Children need more rest than adults, their little bodies need more play time. Elementary school begins before most of you corporate workers are even out of your bed. Their little bodies need to breaks to recover from their after school activities. If we don't do the breaks we need to seriously look at the peewee football, soccer, and baseball schedules. Elementary aged children don't need to practice 2-3 times a week and play a game that may last until after 9pm. I'm tired of my babies falling asleep in math because they had practice or a game that lasted until after 9pm the night before. Either give them weeks off during the school year, eliminate peewee sports, or compromise the schedules.
Brian30101
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July 30, 2012
Sounds like you need to priortize what you feel is important. If your kids can't handle the sports schedules, then maybe there are other activities that are solely weekend based.
Your choice
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July 30, 2012
I am sorry that YOU choose to sign your kids up for a sport that requires them to be sleepy during math. Parents such as yourself is what is wrong with America. It is all about the sports! Sign him/her up for Upward sports which are less competitive. It is not the teachers problem if you choose sports over an education and your child's well being.
Bus Driver
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July 29, 2012
I think that ALL of the people who want the school year to start in the first part of August need to ride an un air conditioned school bus for a week and then decide if they want to start then or maybe buy air conditioned school buses. Why not have 4 day school weeks starting a little earlier. Oh wait, I forgot, school for a lot of parents is a way to baby sit or keep the kids out of their hair.
bus driver also
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July 30, 2012
A four day week will equal a big cut in bus driver pay. A lot of drivers are now struggling.
Kennesaw Resident
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July 27, 2012
Who exactly represents the taxpayers in all of this? Taxpayers are second only to students in this issue. Staff needs to work the schedule that is in the best interest of the students and taxpayers period and parents need to also adapt to what is in the best interest of the students and taxpayers as a whole.

Also, why do you need five central office employees on the committee? So they will have something to do? I only note three that seemed pertinent: the graduation coordinator, the director of policy development, and the assessment program manager.
Duhuh
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July 30, 2012
All the people on the committee are taxpayers unless they are over 62 then they don't pay school taxes in Cobb County.
Survey Says
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July 27, 2012
The aptly titled "monkey-survey" showed that more than 14,000 Cobb County teachers favored the balanced calendar.

This is troubling especially when considering there are fewer than 8,000 teachers in the district and while "balanced calendar" supporters are willing to look the other way on this issue since the survey favored their position.

According to many "balanced calendar" supporters academic achievement was supposedly going to crater if the district reverted to a "traditional calendar," yet recent academic achievement data shows quite the opposite.

Ask any of the school principals that had major SPLOST construction projects going on at their school this summer if there is any way that they would be prepared to open their school doors at least two weeks earlier than scheduled.

This was a major issue last year with a few projects. Compressed construction schedules do not necessarily equate to quality construction.

Just a few thoughts... done here and now back to my harvest!

a teacher
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July 28, 2012
As a teacher and parent who voted, I identified myself in more than one category. That is likely how a lot of the overage can be accounted for.
mmmmmmm
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July 30, 2012
The calendar should not be about what teachers want. In the corporate world employees don't get to decide their work calendar the customer does. The registered voters aka the customers wanted the traditional calendar.
I will be voting
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July 27, 2012
solely on the calendar issue. Any traditional calendar (meaning short - sighted bound by sentiment)backer will not be getting my vote,and I know many who feel the same way.
kdjdkdl;
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July 27, 2012
Narrow minded to say the least.
Ima Loon
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July 27, 2012
Good for you!
Pam J
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July 27, 2012
Provided you get to vote. Yes, a lot of parents want the balanced calendar. I just don't want to hear those same people complaining about trying to find child care during the weeks and days they are off during the year.
To I will be voting
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July 29, 2012
Not sure what information you're reading but the two candidates opposing Banks have not determined their position on the calendar. Your vote for Banks shows your lack of knowledge on the issues that face our district. You seriously care more about school BREAKS than the education of your children??? Wow.
Pam J
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July 27, 2012
When the calendar issue came up last year, parents were complaining about all of the time during the year they had to find child care because their kids were out of school too much. Those people were fighting for the balanced calendar, where the kids started August 1 and had two two-week breaks during the year. Never could figure that one out. I know that when I was going to school, we didn't start until after Labor Day. My parents didn't have to worry about what to do with us being out of school several times a year. I just hope that common sense comes into play in these meetings. It seems to be missing most of the time.
Nothings Impossible
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July 27, 2012
I've never understood the original change of the calendar from around Labor Day. Guess kids don't have Summer jobs anymore. I've been told that everyone can't remember what they are taught over the Christmas break? Some could actually STUDY more during Christmas and take their finals in Jan. If they can't remember after 2 weeks is there really any learning happening in the schools?

If Georgia were a real tourist economy there would be no argument and the state would demand that schools don't start before the last weeks of August. No seasonal employment for all the people who come from states where schools start at the standard time (around Labor Day). The Carolina's and others have had to mandate it for the tourism dollar.

Not to mention the additional expense of having to air condition every classroom during the hottest month of the year!
Teacher agrees
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July 28, 2012
I am a teacher in the district and agree with you 100%. The balanced calendar was not good for the kids. We came back the beginning of August, right after Labor Day were the CogAt and ITBS for two weeks, and then we had a fall break. It was a waste of time. We need to get back to the TRUE traditional calendar. NOT the southern traditional calendar starting the second week in August. A traditional calendar begins after Labor Day and would help our economy! Our state needs to make it a law that you can not begin until after Labor Day, if they are so concerned with the economy. Notice the people on this calendar committee-KSU is NOT going to vote for a traditional calendar because they want a few seniors to start school second semester. There are VERY few kids who begin college second semester. This is ridiculous! If they would try the tradtional calendar, they may see scores improve!
Jeff A. Taylor
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July 27, 2012
Let's be clear why we are wasting time with this: Teachers like to have time off every few weeks to grade papers. Admin also likes to have window to micromanage classes/courses at the 8-9 week mark ahead of ES/MS conferences.

Fall Break appeals to both. Guess what we'll get?

Start 1st week of Aug. Book it.

NOT all teachers
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July 28, 2012
I am a teacher and felt it was a total waste of time. We should begin after Labor Day!
Bob Bummer
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July 29, 2012
Not if Six Flags has anything to say about it.
Honor Student
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July 30, 2012
Does anyone ever take the students into consideration? Yes the teachers & admin are important, but the students are the primary concern. I am an honors/AP student with a 4.32 GPA. Trust me, if you were in my position, you would be begging for a break just to get caught up on past work without being overloaded with new work.
Calendar v Candidate
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July 27, 2012
I am glad the MDJ has posted information about this finally. Some excellent choices by Hinojosa. This committee will vet the issue and present to our CCSB. If there is merit, financial or educationally, then let's change it. If there's not, then stay with the later start date. But voters BEWARE... Do NOT vote for your school board candidate based on their position on this issue. Banks may be one sure vote for the BC, but there are 6 other board members. We don't want to be stuck with Banks for 1 vote on a calendar and no representation on anything else for 4 years.
post 5 parent
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July 27, 2012
Gheezzzzz ain't that right. Besides that, Banks said he would vote for the 'meany' calendar when he was running and then changed his mind.

It really is ABC

Anyone But Calendar crazy Banks.

I really am tired of this elderly man thinking that he has the right to stir up the pot constantly - just for fun. My kids deserve better than than this foolish man.
tired of fighting
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July 27, 2012
Not really sure what Banks is going to constantly gripe about once a new calendar is recommended.

I am quite sure he will find something, since that stirring up the pot is his flavor of the month attitude.

Committee members
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July 27, 2012
Please do the right thing, bring back the balanced calendar, as you know from the survey, it is largely preferred, as you know from teachers, taking it away hurt morale horribly, as you know, iti promotes learning for students. Plus, as we all know, the taking away of the balanced calendar was unfair as it was never given a chance and should have lasted 3 years as originally stated.
Bob Bummer
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July 27, 2012
The balanced calendar does not work for Cobb County because Six Flags needs the youth of Cobb County to work at their 2 parks for 3 months of the summer and not 2.
Lightning Rod
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July 27, 2012
An October calendar vote should prove to be quite a lightning rod, just a few weeks before the election in November. Voters who are just then starting to really focus on the election, especially those who are also teachers and parents, will get a last-minute reminder of how three of the Board members up for re-election voted on the controversial calendar.
Next Board's Call
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July 27, 2012
The calendar decision should be left up to the next Board in January, not made by the current one in October. There will be anywhere from 1 to 4 new Board members elected in November, and they should be allowed to make the decision, not the "lame ducks."
Jeff A. Taylor
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July 27, 2012
The fix is in.

No way this stacked deck does not come back with with an Aug. 1 start date and a dopey Fall Break.

Worse, they'll claim the change is "for the children."

You watch.
@Jeff Taylor
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July 27, 2012
I'm with you on the Aug 1st date; too early. Maybe not a whole week off in the fall, but some short break in Sept or Oct could be useful. Do you see any middle ground possible, or is it just traditional-versus-balanced?
@ jeffy
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July 27, 2012
Oh I don't think the fix is in at all - the Chamber of commerce is represented.

This traditional calendar is all aobut the money.

Honor Students
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July 30, 2012
I'm sorry Mr. Taylor, but you are very wrong. The change is very much "for the children." I am an honors/AP student going into my junior year with a 4.32 GPA. The early start is great, gets you going on AP curriculum ASAP, and then the breaks allow you to get caught up.

If you really want to know what is best "for the children," ask the children.

Case closed.
Survey Needed!
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July 27, 2012
Will the hand-picked committee be conducting another survey of the employees and the other stakeholder groups? It looks like there are actually only 3 teachers on the committee, and it would be foolish for CCSD to once again completely ignore the view of their most important employee group.
Joker3
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July 27, 2012
What a joke, CCsd employees and PTA patsies.. I am just guessing but I bet they come back with a glowing recommendation for the far unsuperor unbalanced calendar. Let's start school July 1st!
Just to clarify?
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July 27, 2012
So you're against the balanced calendar? It's tough to follow your refined, logical argument.
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