Lawyer says T-SPLOST too critical to reject
by Geoff Folsom
July 13, 2012 09:06 AM | 2596 views | 19 19 comments | 8 8 recommendations | email to a friend | print

MARIETTA- The “Untie Atlanta” side in Thursday’s forum on the July 31 transportation referendum called the vote the most important in the Atlanta area in 40 years, while the “No TSPLOST” speaker said the flawed project list can be put back together in time for another vote in two years.

“It’s too important, it’s too critical to our future,” said Atlanta attorney Douglas Dillard, chairman of the Council for Quality Growth. “If we’re going to bring real estate out of this depression, we’ve got to give it some help.”

But state Rep. Ed Setzler (R-Acworth) responded with a PowerPoint presentation called “Untie the Truth,” show-ing a development in Portland, Ore., that was intended to be built around a light rail line, but now featured vacant storefronts. Though Setzler voted for the Transportation Investment Act of 2010, and even encouraged other legisla-tors to do the same, the $6.1 billion project list that’s now composed of 52 percent transit money soured him on the package.

“We’ve got to be laser focused on fixing traffic, not transforming Atlanta into a transit fantasy that some people might have,” he said.

Each speaker addressed an audience the about 120 people at a Marietta Business Association lunch meeting for 10 minutes on the referendum that will determine whether or not a 10-county metro Atlanta region will use a 1 per-cent sales tax to pay for 157 road and transit projects over a decade. They then took questions submitted on color-coded note cards, green for the yes side and red for no.

Setzler was questioned about why he voted for the transportation bill in the first place.

“I proudly supported the TIA, but I opposed this vigorously because the purpose in the first place was to fix traf-fic, not to fund special interest projects,” he said.

Setzler said “in town interests,” who he declined to identify, redirected the bill from being a funding mechanism for road projects into an attempt to pay for the rail transformation of Atlanta.

“It in essence becomes an $8.4 billion bait and switch,” he said.

Dillard was asked about traffic delays that would be caused by TIA–related construction over the next decade, particularly when the area is already constantly dealing with traffic issues.

“You’ve been putting up with it this long, you can put up with it another 10 years,” Dillard said. “We’re going to have some disturbance, but it’s a small price to pay versus sitting in traffic like we’ve been doing. And if we don’t do anything, it’s getting ready to increase by 25 percent.”

After the meeting, Dillard disputed Setzler’s claim that a new project list can be put together and placed on the ballot in 2014.

“It took six years to get it out of the legislature,” said Dillard, a partner in the firm of Weissman, Nowack, Curry & Wilco, who has specialized in zoning cases. “Both (Atlanta) Mayor (Kasim) Reed and the governor have said they’re not going to brining it up during their term of office. So, it won’t happen. It will not come back in two years.”

Setzler disagreed with assertions that it will be tough to pass another bill and put together a new project list. He expects another list to come out if the TIA fails at the polls, one with much less transit.

“Think about the energy the proponents of this are putting into this,” Setzler said. “Are they suggesting they are going to give up and not care anymore if this goes down? That energy will still be there, it’s just going to be commit-ted that much more to getting something the citizens can support. I think they were tone deaf in developing the list. I think they thought they could get away with it, and I’m hopeful that the citizens will understand that this is billions of dollars in wasteful spending…If all the voters could do their homework and understand what this is, they’d vote it down, and I think the interests that twisted this list into what it unfortunately is today, will learn their lesson and they will come back and fix traffic like they promised they would do.”

Banker Don Powell, who lives in Marietta close to the border with Kennesaw, came into the hour-long presenta-tion leaning toward voting for the TIA, but Setzler’s presentation changed his mind.

“His arguments made a lot of sense to me,” Powell said of Setzler. “He’s for doing something with transportation, but it’s the wrong projects…I think there’s too much light rail and real pretty projects, instead of projects that will just get traffic moving.”

Mortgage loan officer Lew Stafford of east Cobb said he won’t vote for the TIA this time, and isn’t likely to sup-port a sales tax to pay for a revamped project list in the future.

“I don’t want my taxes going up,” he said. “It would take a lot of convincing for me to vote for it. I generally vote ‘no’ on all tax increases.”

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Joe_Harris
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July 15, 2012
We have gone far too long without doing anything to our current transportation infrastructure. It is definitely in need of maintenance and repair and the passage of this referendum will enable us to do much needed repairs and add transportation options.
Kennesaw Resident
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July 15, 2012
Which one of the beneficiaries of this legislation does he respresent? Maybe he is the beneficiary.....
CobbGabber
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July 15, 2012
Can we say "SLUSH FUND"
KSUsed
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July 15, 2012
Voting NO also.....and until we start replacing the politician's like we did the EMC they will never get it.....

THE SLEEPING GIANT IS AWAKENING ! ! !
Splosted Out!
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July 14, 2012
There is a vote coming up in Cobb that is the most critical in 40 years--the one in November that will allow us to replace Barack Obama before he completes his quest to destroy America!

The TSPLOST vote should be a no-brainer: DOA at the ballot box.
anonymous
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July 14, 2012
Doug Dillard is a zoning attorney so you know who he sides with.

Both he and the grossly misnamed Council for Quality Growth are shills for the development community in Atlanta.

They are trying to get the TSPLOST passed because it gets taxpayers to subsidize their developer clients and members to the tune of $8.5 BILLION.

Ed Seltzer is trying to do the right thing for the taxpayers.

We can get this right, we just need to give it a second chance.
I wish that someone
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July 14, 2012
would say something in these discussions that would convince me to vote "yes" on this, but it hasn't happened. Time is running out for the proponents.
Truth Detector
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July 14, 2012
Rep Setzler bothered to look into the details of the much-lauded darling of light rail, Portland?! I LOVE it!

I disagree with him on some issues, but on this one, he's absolutely right!

BTW, did you notice the way Dillard tried to compare the time it took special interests to get the TIA through the legislature to the re-development time of two years? Yet another attempt to mislead the public!!

52% of funds are slated for light rail as it is. Cut that down to 5% by making the term 5yrs instead of 10 and require that NO federal funds be sought. That way, the capital costs are closer to the level of actual users (typically 5% of the population will use mass transit) and no dependencies on non-existent federal dollars will be allowed!

Suburban Dummy !
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July 14, 2012
We came here because we want a suburban lifestyle. We want to "dig in the dirt again"; we want space for our kids to run and play ball; we want excellent schools with room for Friday night football; we want Master Gardeners: we want the Sheriff's corn boiling; we want to sit on a quiet deck in the evening and visit with neighbors. What's wrong with that?

And why do these high flying consultants want to race bait the issue? Check the statistics. Practically all Cobb subdivisions are now integrated - black, oriental, even Islamist..... And these folks spent their money to buy the same lifestyle the earlier homebuyers had. A suburban style.

And Cobb has ample opportunity for great malls and more dense development in Town Center and Cumberland. Why do we need to build a "walkable" strip city on US 41 that will split Cobb in half ? And who's going to walk up Windy Hill anyway? The train can't even make that grade.

And by the way, we already live next to one of the great cities - Atlanta. Seems like folks who want to live in Atlantic Station or Buckhead are doing just that. Why do these developers want to build Atlantic Station in Cobb?

Vote NO on TSPLOST.
The Observer
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July 13, 2012
Here's the message we're being sent: We can either vote no and have our commute get worse and worse day after day, eventually "doubling" in hours a certain number of years from now. Or, we can vote yes and get the problem fixed to some degree. If you ask me, I'd rather pass this and have my average commute reduced by a minute than not pass it and the average double. This may be the only shot we have at fixing the traffic issue. This may be the only shot we have at getting a rail line from Kennesaw to Atlanta. A rail line I would use. Too much money has been tied to fixing that antiquated sewar system. Too little money is flowing in because of a system that relies soley on income taxes. Because of this, Atlanta can't throw enough money at the problem. That needs to change.
Cobb Watcher
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July 13, 2012
This thing is too critical to allow to pass.

Vote NO!
Kennesaw Resident
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July 13, 2012
AMEN! I have already voted "NO!"
rjsnh
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July 14, 2012
AGREED....TSPOST supports road builders and developers at the public expense...vote NO
@ rjsnh
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July 16, 2012
It's funny you should say that. I've spoken to a handful of Atlanta-area engineers that admitted to intending on voting "yes" because it will give their companies a lot of business; however, they would have voted "no" were they not working for engineering companies.
Phillip Maloney
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July 13, 2012
Some call it TSPLOST; I call it the TIA tax. Nobody pro or con on this issue has mentioned the tax exemptions in HB 244 that are approved if the tax passes. Joe Mack Wilson used to say "if you use it then pay for it." That is not the case here. Virtually any operator of a combustible engine vehicle or craft on land, water, or air is exempt from paying the TIA tax on their fuel purchases. Energy costs related to the manufacture or processing of tangible goods for resale are also exempt from the tax. That is a lot of money to give to the users who stand to benefit the most from this 10 year tax-a free ride that rivals those in Congress. That is why some do not perceive this bill to be a fair tax.
Thomas J Palmer
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July 14, 2012
Thank you for bringing this FACT to the attention of the voters. There may not be an accurate method to determine how many tax dollars are exempt from HB244, however, "if you use it then pay for it" should certainly apply to the TIA. I do not support the TSPLOST as it does not address the intent of the legislation, TO RELIEVE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. The primary push is ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. If you doubt this, just look at the organizations that stand to benefit the most. These people are the source for all the BIG MONEY SUPPORT. The little guys are voting NO.
marc0
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July 13, 2012
So how long will it take to get the decision-makers to listen. We don't need more spokes into the center hub, we need more concentric "rims" to navigate across suburbs. A lot of the traffic currently on 75, 400, 85, and 285 are on those arteries in order to travel east-west. If a major artery was added parallell and outside of the existing perimeter, a lot of existing traffic could be kept off these existing arteries.
west cobber
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July 13, 2012
Aman marc0 your preaching to the choir and i agree .
Exactly
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July 14, 2012
I agree completely. Let me get AROUND Atlanta not TO Atlanta.
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