Some lawmakers feel Deal's gas tax plan could ease opposition to TSPLOST
by Jon Gillooly
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Gov. Nathan Deal is proposing to use gas tax money to help fund a $900 million reversible toll road project along Interstates 75 and 575 in Cobb and Cherokee counties to help alleviate the commute headaches.<br>Staff/File
Gov. Nathan Deal is proposing to use gas tax money to help fund a $900 million reversible toll road project along Interstates 75 and 575 in Cobb and Cherokee counties to help alleviate the commute headaches.
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MARIETTA — Cobb lawmakers are praising Gov. Nathan Deal’s proposal to use gas tax money to help fund a $900 million toll road project along Interstates 75 and 575 in Cobb and Cherokee counties, with some saying it could save the Transportation Improvement Act referendum when it goes before voters in July.

State Sen. Lindsey Tippins (R-west Cobb) says Deal’s proposal would get the Northwest Corridor done quicker than putting it on the TIA project list.

“The problem with the light rail project (in the transportation referendum) is I think we would financially be inextricably linked in the future with a MARTA operation, even though they say this is not going to be part of MARTA,” Tippins said. “I have not done a formal poll, but I can tell you the people I talk to say that this would be a lot more relief, a lot quicker, a lot cheaper.”

State Rep. David Wilkerson (D-Austell) said Friday that he had been hearing rumors that Deal was working on funding, but didn’t know of the plan until a day or so ago.

“It is a much preferable way to fund the project than the previous (public-private) arrangement,” Wilkerson said. “I had the same concerns as the governor about having a 60 to 70 year non-compete on road building in the area.”

Wilkerson believes the proposal could help the July transportation referendum.

“It could lessen the opposition,” Wilkerson said. “The state is willing to invest heavily in solving congestion issues in the Cobb area, and we should be expected to do some of the lifting.”

State Sen. Doug Stoner (D-Smyrna) said he hoped Deal’s proposal would pave the way for the TIA, which would allow many more projects to be completed.

“We need all of these,” Stoner said. “As I tell people, to me it’s never been an either/or situation. We need all of these infrastructures to stay competitive economically.”

State Rep. Earl Ehrhart (R-Powder Springs) believes the lanes can be built and open to traffic sooner than if they had been part of the July transportation referendum as proposed by Cobb Board of Commissioners Chairman Tim Lee.

State Rep. Rich Golick (R-Smyrna) said that while he is supportive of whatever helps traffic congestion in the 75/575 corridor, he is disappointed in the TIA project list.

“The intent of the transportation legislation two years ago was to go ahead and move people from Point A to Point B,” Golick said. “My greater concern right now is that right now we are still in a situation where local officials have utterly failed the community in following the legislative intent of the 2010 transportation bill to relieve traffic congestion. … I’m working actively to see what can be done about cleaning up the mess that some of our local officials have created for our communities.”

Golick views the 75/575 project and the TIA referendum as completely separate issues.

“Whether or not the 75/575 proposal (occurs) doesn’t change the current negative reality of the roundtable list,” Golick said. “While the 75/575 project as reported this morning is obviously extremely important to many people in Cobb County it doesn’t change the negative reality that we’re now faced with because of the bungling of the roundtable process locally.”

Golick said the roundtable hurt the TIA’s chances of getting approved by earmarking so much money to projects he believes won’t help commuters.

“There are hundreds of millions of dollars, around $600 million, dedicated to so-called bus rapid transit system that will not relieve traffic congestion, will not help people get from Point A to Point B and is an utter waste of tax payer money, and I think it’s a singular symbol of a failure so profound that we have got to do our best right now locally to do everything we can to clean up that mess that those folks created,” Golick said.

State Sen. Judson Hill (R-east Cobb) said while he needs more details, he finds Deal’s idea of using gas tax dollars to fund the 75/575 proposal attractive.

“I believe I could support using gas dollars,” Hill said. “I’m very supportive of the project moving forward, looking for a viable, fiscally responsible funding mechanism is most important and I will do anything I can to make sure we can find the monies to get it back on plan and make it happen. I was disappointed when the project was put on hold and hopefully this solution or any others is financially viable.”

Stoner moreover doesn’t believe the 75/575 project will encounter the same problems as Gwinnett County has encountered.

“The problem they had in Gwinnett was they went from a two-person carpool to a three-person carpool,” Stoner said. “We currently have nothing like that in Cobb. So we’re not taking anything away. We’re not taking any existing lanes away. We’re not increasing an HOV lane, which we do not have north of 285 in Cobb or Cherokee.”

Stoner doesn’t see how such a project would increase congestion when existing lanes are not being taken away.

“You’re adding additional capacity in the sense of these lanes, and to encourage people to carpool with three-person carpool and use transit where there would be no charge. So you’re adding additional capacity,” he said.

Deal plans to fund the $900 million toll project by using gas tax funds, along with a $270 million federal loan.

“The governor worked with the House to fulfill his promise on the Northwest Corridor,” said Deal’s spokesman, Brian Robinson. “Together, they have set aside $300 million in the supplemental budget for this vital project. Gov. Deal said during the State of the State address that this was a major priority and he would find a way to get it done.”

The $300 million fills the hole that would have come from the private funds if the state had kept the project as it originally intended through a public-private partnership, Robinson said.

Deal canceled a project in December that would have paid for the managed lanes using public and private money out of concerns that the Georgia Department of Transportation would cede control of the I-75 corridor to private investors for up to 60 years.

The initial managed lanes proposal would cover 18 miles on I-75 and 11 miles on I-575. On I-75 from I-285 to the I-575 split, it would have two elevated lanes built just west of the main highway, open to southbound traffic during morning commutes and northbound vehicles in the afternoon. North of the split, I-75 would have one managed lane in the center of the highway to Hickory Grove Road, while I-575 would have a managed lane in the center up to Sixes Road.

Voters are scheduled to decide July 31 whether to approve a 10-year penny transportation sales tax that will pay for $6.14 billion in transportation projects in a 10-county metro Atlanta area.

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ol' retired doc
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February 07, 2012
Deal is Georgia's governor because he had to get out of DC to avoid prosecution. Look out Georgia!
Cobb Taxpayer
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February 06, 2012
Vote "NO" on TSPLOST!
buzzer
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February 04, 2012
"A lot of relief, a lot quicker, a lot cheaper"? Does Sen. Tippins' or anyone else REALLY think this project will provide ANY of those things? We need transportation alternatives, NOT more of the same. TSPLOST has a chance of bringing real relief, but boondoggles like the I-75/575 reversible lanes, HOT lanes or toll roads are not realistic solutions.
namtah
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February 04, 2012
I have a better idea. How about we make those that commute through Cobb pay a toll. Why do I as a resident of Marietta who has designed his life so work is accomplished without the need for commuting, pay for those geniuses to live 40 miles from where they work??? Let them suffer in traffic everyday for a few more years and maybe it will hit them. "Gee, maybe buying a home in Cherokee county and working in downtown Atlanta wasn't such a good idea after all!" Duh.
Arleen F
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February 04, 2012
6 BILLION!!! Vote NO in July on the Transportation sales tax. We the people cannot afford to give another 6 BILLION dollars to politicians to line their friends' pockets.
mk-correction..
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February 06, 2012
The TIA website states the 6 BILLION dollar ammount would become 7.2 BILLION , adjusted for inflation!!

...buts what's a mere BILLION amongst friends??

(I mean fools!!)

Gwinnet, Dekalb & Fulton will vote yes for this tax! They want & will support more Marta!! You watch,... Cobb's just along for the ride!!
Square Bug
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February 04, 2012
Don't forget Deal's troubles before he became

governor. Here comes more of the same.
mike1049
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February 04, 2012
Funny since Deal has been in office, less students receive HOPE and the taxpayers are paying more taxes for various new transportation. The Georgia citizens are being hosed and they don't know it.
mk - candy store
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February 04, 2012
How in tarnation will 2 more lanes, added to an already overburdened, ineffective, outdated road system & corridor help solve ANY traffic issues in Cobb, Cherokee or as the TIA REQUIRES,... REGIONALLY??

This is a slice-o-pie for all the contractors, engineers, DOT & well-connected, that have a lot of weight to throw around, when it comes to elections!

Everyday I watch & read the news around here, it becomes very clear why Georgia & the Atlanta area is so far behind the rest of the country! How the hell do these guys keep getting voted in????

We are being played, folks, just like a fiddle!!
Nuthin' New
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February 04, 2012
TSPLOST/TIA project list is not changed.

I-75/I-575 project was expected to be funded before, and now it's going to be funded still. Good project.

The change from Public Private funding to GA DOT funding doesn't change the resulting congestion effect on TSPLOST.

The train option is still in TSPLOST. As bad an idea now as it was before. Nuthin' new.
stoner for governor
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February 04, 2012
Is Doug Stoner the only state lawmaker with the sense to get out of a wet paper bag? It is unbelievable to read the crap from Rich, Setzler and some of the other Cobb Delegation.
not hardly...
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February 06, 2012
Doug Stoner has no morals whatsover!! His daddy is a developer w/ land in and around Smyrna/Cobb. He's trying to push a HUGE WASTEFUL Windy Hill Boulevaed 40 MILLION dollar project, that will bring traffic right up to his familes land!

You can't trust any of these creeps!!

There aren't ANY honest elected politicians in Cobb!!

Rich out of touch
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February 04, 2012
I can not believe the stupid comments from Rich Golich. He and his buddies didnt have the anatomy to deal with this problem themselves and created a process that I am convinced they thought would never work. Well lo and behold, it did. Out local elected officials did something historic, they all agreed on a plan. Now the state part timers are trying to get headlines since they failed. Rich, you are completely out of touch. The people will have the last word on this. I hope the Governor and Speaker put you in your place and perhaps you can be a page for a day. Or the chambers can be cleaned at night. You don't deserve to represent people who are tired of your empty words.
CobbCountyRedneck
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February 06, 2012
Only someone who is completely delusional or just plain stupid would interpret the TIA Project List that came out of the Roundtable as working.

This legislation was formulated as a financial mechanism to at least start in the direction of a REGIONAL transportation solution.

Didn't happen!!!

The Roundtable perverted it into a collection of local pet transportation projects with no semblance of even a "baby step" toward regional transportation solutions.
Br548
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February 04, 2012
Vote no! You cannot trust them with our money!
SG68
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February 04, 2012
Golick is correct.

The Roundtable botched the entire concept of the TIA/TSPLOST.

The only mistake the state legislators made was trusting the Roundtable to stay true to the legislation.

Encouraged by Kasim Reed's locally focused Atlanta Beltline project the other politicians on the Roundtable immediately took that as their cue to fund their own local pet transportation projects.

What we ended up with is a TIA project list that has little or nothing to do with a step toward congestion relief and mobility for the Atlanta Metro region.

Thanks Mayor Reed. Thanks Roundtable reps.

utterly failed
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February 04, 2012
" local officials have utterly failed the community". Excuse me, Golick....Careful where you point that finder. Facts are that you STATE officials set it up. Local simply followed your flawed law. Why not try owning up to your poorly thought-out legislation. Like them or their plan or not, Matthews, Lee, Johnson, Reed, and all other locals followed the law they were given.
anonymous
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February 04, 2012
UTTERLY FAILED, there was absolutely nothing in the law that required Tim Lee and Mark Matthews to go all out and full bore to drive a friggin' light rail system (to be built in Fulton Co./Atlanta) down the throats of the taxpayers of Cobb County!
Rich for dog catcher
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February 04, 2012
Right on, right on, right on. Very well stated. Why do we elect and pay fools like Rich?
Hanibal
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February 04, 2012
Tippins would not know a real Deal if he saw one.

Tippins is just another LIBERAL in cheap REPUBLICAN

clothing.

Deal, Neuter, Lee, Hankerson, Tippins Quigley Mule

man farmer James, shame on you for the way you

treated Jack an Jill.
THE TRUTH
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February 04, 2012
This is GREAT news for Cobb and Cherokee commuters!
ol' retired doc
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February 04, 2012
Hide your wallet! Deal's plan is nothing but a free ride for a bunch of politicians waiting for a

blank check so they can spend, spend, spend.
Pat H
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February 04, 2012
We need specificity and a completed traffic analysis before the TIA T-SPLOST is even considered. The proposed projects need to be certain, and the costs known.

Now we will be paying extra for gas, a higher millage rate, an extra 1% for the SPLOST, and they expect us to pay yet another 1% for wasteful projects like the Atlanta beltline and a connection to MARTA. Not hardly.
anonymous
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February 04, 2012
Awwwh now, Pat H. Analysis is what you do AFTER you get the money. If you do the analysis before, people may not give you the money. Isn't that right, Faye DiMassimo?
G Dawg
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February 04, 2012
Exactly.... isn't it obvious that all politicians only know how to do one thing! Raise taxes and accomplish nothing.... wait that's 2 things (would hate to deny any politician an accomplishment).... TEA party people, come on Taxed Enough Already.... I object to the idea of giving politicians ANY more of my my hard earned dollars to waste away by giving it to their cronies and still have no noticeable improvements in my lifestyle.

Southerners need to start thinking like Northerners, I am sorry if that offends..... more roads only mean more cars..... Fact....expand the existing Marta rail lines and be done with it.
Rich for dog catcher
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February 04, 2012
Pat, if you review the TIA details that are readily available to all, perhaps you would have less to complain about. The details are there, suggest you try reading them.
D.G. in Clarkdale
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February 04, 2012
You idiot politicians don't get it do you, we have lost confidence in your ability to fix anything, and your latest diversionary tactic will fail.
Intelligence Not
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February 04, 2012
D.G., I absolutely agree with what you said and I dearly love the way you said it. Idiots, so many idiots.
RedBoard
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February 04, 2012
To see such total dim-wits even try to call themselves reasonable and wise on this transit matter is nearly painful. Nevertheless, here they go again.

The bottom line will be no solution at all. Mark my words.
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