Armstrong pushing Fox News ‘canard’ on union upheaval
February 22, 2011 12:00 AM | 821 views | 17 17 comments | 4 4 recommendations | email to a friend | print
DEAR EDITOR:

MDJ columnist Laura Armstrong pushes the Fox News canard in describing the union upheaval in Wisconsin as a “temper tantrum.” Gov. Scott Walker is attempting to use the budget problems there as an excuse to gut the collective bargaining rights of public sector union workers — teachers, paramedics and firemen who have already agreed to contribute more for their benefits. The current contracts under which these men and women perform important jobs have no bearing on the state’s budget issues.

What Armstrong ignores is that local, state and federal governments must offer pay and benefits commensurate with what these dedicated public servants might earn in the private sector. If governments don’t compete for good people, schools, fire houses and ambulances will be manned unqualified personnel. So characterizing the benefits Wisconsin’s union workers earn as “entitlements” is completely false, but falsehoods are what we have come to expect from the far right in lieu of real dialogue and real ideas.

Kevin Foley
Kennesaw
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dixie-boy
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February 25, 2011
Thanks Whoneedsschools let Wisconsin join the race to the bottom until they rate at the bottom with non-union southern schools such as Gorgia and South Carolina. I hope not. This actually has little to do with labor. The union has already conceded the financial aspects of this bill. This is about nothing more than a concerted effort by Republican Governors and Legislatures bought, financed and supported by right wing organizations such as Koch Industries to destroy a source of money and support for their personal interests.
SafariLady2
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February 24, 2011
Misterbill - You hit the nail smack on the head. You are exactly right about the usefulness of today's government unions. Could not have been said better and thank you for saying it.
anonymous
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February 23, 2011
Foley said: "What's hypocritical is calling fireman, teachers, paramedics and other civil servants "heroes" up until they demand their collective bargaining rights be protected. Then they're throwing a "temper tantrum." "

Mr. Foley, I am pretty sure you can be a hero and still throw a spoiled government worker temper tantrum. Whats your point?
misterbill
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February 23, 2011
dixie boy-

Tax treasury is correct. I am old enough to see the difference in the need for and the actions of unions today versus many years ago. Are you suggesting that teachers or firemen etal are being asked to go down in unsafe mines to work?? Are you suggesting that public unions are saving the teacher from long hours in the hot sun without breaks and carrying heavy loads?

Come off it--grow up. Unions today are groups that practice throwing their weight around and pressuring business skill lacking politicians to give in to their demands.

Why don't you all join the SEIU in their efforts and bring professional thuggery to play??(Including representing many illegal entrants to our country.)

Joining them will also get you many visits to the White House.
dixie-boy
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February 22, 2011
Tax Treasury, what makes you thing governments and employers are any better now than they were "in the beginning". The difference is the workers are willing to fight for their right to organize and negotiate for their labor. Sometimes they win, sometime they lose, sometime they compromist, many fought and died for that right and would be fools to give it up.
Kevin Foley
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February 22, 2011
What's hypocritical is calling fireman, teachers, paramedics and other civil servants "heroes" up until they demand their collective bargaining rights be protected. Then they're throwing a "temper tantrum."

Whoneedsschools
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February 22, 2011
It turns out that Wisconsin with it's unions is one of the top states in education with a leading graduation rate and leads in those who go on to college. On the other hand Geogia is at the bottom in education without unions. So I can see why so many here oppose unions in Wisconsin we can help Wisconsin to become like Georgia with a third world education system. Maybe we can even get them to follow us and oppose all school improvements like SPLOST.
cheese head
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February 22, 2011
The Wisconsin governor has a constitutionally mandated responsibility to balance the state budget. While Democrats and liberals are focussed on the collective bargaining aspect of this (because it elicits sympathy?) the other and more important part is that he's asked for a little shared sacrifice from people who have so far had the job security that private sector employees have not had. How difficult is it, when your income is going on $100,000 per year, to cough up another 5% for your health care? Why are all these liberals against such an idea when it's really no different than what Obama wants us all to do? Oh wait, we wouldn't want that idea to get out there, would we? So focus on collective bargaining?

You liberals are such hypocrits. You say it's ok to raise taxes and you're willing to pay your fair share, but when push comes to shove and you really do have to fork it over, you call on the communists, the unions and the crazies to march in the streets. What a joke you are.
anonymous
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February 22, 2011
So GaGirlNow, do you think that "big business" might be able to hire a few more workers now that they have that "tax break"?

Tax Treasury
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February 22, 2011
GaGirlNow- Most people are not saying that unions in the beginning did not do a great service concerning labor laws, child labor, etc. However, unions have overstepped their causes and are now just as abusive as employers were years ago with child labor. Instead of abusing children, the union is abusing the taxpayers with their unfair and unrealistic demands of money for benefits that the private sector does not offer.

Keep it up and their will be no taxpayers/turnips from which to suck anymore money. If the taxpayer/government goes broke, then the union workers' treasure chest will be empty. Then the union members might be like the rest of the public.
Private Sector
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February 22, 2011
Oh Mr. Foley, you must be a union member or work for the gov't. You espouse that type of "temper tantrum." The taxpayers of any state should not be paying 100% of a gov't employee's pension or their health insurance. This is exactly what is happening in WS. I do NOT know any private sector company, which does that, so I guess that blows your theory of paying "local, state & gov't workers pay & benefits commensurate with what public servants might earn in the private sector."

As with most gov't teachers & other union members of other professions, hardly any other worker can put in 30 yrs after graduating from college at the age of 22 and reture with a good pension and guaranteed, subsidized health ins. at the age of 52.

If the gov't workers want to compete with the private sector workers, then accept the terms and conditions under which private sector workers are employeed. Having ALL your benefits paid by the governemnt/TAXPAYER is not under those terms.
GaGirlNow
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February 22, 2011
When the gov took office WI had a surplus of $132 million so he, in true repub fashion, gave a $140 million tax break to big business.

Before you kick the unions remember who gave us child labor laws, hour and wage laws, safer working conditions, paid holidays and vacation for some - not the electrical union. So next time you gripe abut unions think about giving up your paid vacation and paid holidays.
Watcher...
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February 22, 2011
FoxNews' ratings continue to grow, unlike the "MainStream" print and electronic media.
EduKtr
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February 22, 2011
Wisconsin teachers are in the wrong to abandon their classrooms, period. And to be seen openly soliciting bogus "sick" certificates on the street from obliging doctors, as shown in news clips?

Unionized public sector workers who benefit from fat healthcare and pension packages they don't contribute fairly to get no sympathy from most Americans. And by seeking to intimidate the Wisconsin legislature into backing down on reform they have only caused the rest of us to take a closer look at the cozy relationship between public sector unions and the Democrat Party.

The teachers' union causing all the problem, by the way, is a sister to our Georgia Association of Educators (GAE), the smaller of the two main teachers' groups in Georgia.

Tom Linktrow
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February 22, 2011
You, sir, dwell in the alternate reality of the extreme left, where your ilk believes government is the answer to everything. Your thoughts completely lack any substance and are the usual pro union drivel we have come to expect from the far left. Here is a reality check for you, the duly elected Wisconsin governor is doing something new here, and that is fulfilling the promises he made to voters, if elected.
anonymous
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February 22, 2011
What Armstrong also conveniently ignores is that the workers were willing to compromise and the governor was not. This is pure union-busting and the worst kind of political pay-back.
anonymous
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February 22, 2011
Mr. Foley you don't understand what people in the private sector do...when you don't have the money to pay your workers, someone is going to lose their job, unless the workers agree to make some changes in the compensation they will accept to do the job.

As for your statement that "governments must offer pay and benefits commensurate with what these dedicated public servants might earn in the private sector"...you must be pleased that these public servants are indeed being paid what the private sector is paid...AND WAY MORE. Plus, they are near impossible to fire for poor work performance.

Reality is clearly not a part of your thought process. This is common to most all government (particularly school) employees.
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