Will T-SPLOST torpedo Tim?
by Jon Gillooly
Jul 28, 2012 | 5256 views | 17 17 comments | 14 14 recommendations | email to a friend | print
Cobb Commission Chairman Tim Lee says hello to Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed at the end of Tuesday's rally to gain support for the transportation referendum. <br> File photo
Cobb Commission Chairman Tim Lee says hello to Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed at the end of Tuesday's rally to gain support for the transportation referendum.
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MARIETTA — County Chairman Tim Lee, who is fighting for his political career against three challengers in Tuesday’s Republican primary, may also be affected by his ties to the TSPLOST referendum, which will also be on the ballot that day.

Kennesaw Mayor Mark Mathews, who served on the 21-member Atlanta Regional Roundtable with Lee to develop the project list in October, doesn’t believe the TSPLOST will play much of a role in Lee’s re-election chances.

“The competition that he has, they’re all pretty extreme in their positions, whether it be on TSPLOST or taxes or anything else,” said Mathews, who has endorsed Lee. “Most voters are kind of beyond extreme candidates.”

While he easily won re-election in November, Mathews said the TSPLOST opposition had not yet crystallized.

“It was much less of a factor in my race because the sides — for and against — had not gotten organized at that time,” he said. “It was still very early.”

Former Cobb GOP Chairman Scott Johnson, who has not endorsed anyone in the race, also doesn’t believe TSPLOST will prevent Lee’s re-election.

“There were people that were predicting it was going to be doom and gloom for (Mathews), and he was overwhelmingly re-elected,” Johnson said.

But state Rep. Sharon Cooper (R-east Cobb), who is not endorsing a candidate, believes the TSPLOST will hurt Lee.

“The people that are against it are so adamantly against it, and with some very good reasons,” Cooper said. “They were led to believe that the majority of the projects would help with traffic congestion, and instead money was diverted to light rail or bus transit, and they’ve lost their trust.”

Cooper said while some believe the anti-Lee vote will be diluted because of a split between Byrne, Mike Boyce and Larry Savage, she believes Lee and Boyce will face each other in a run-off.

“My feeling is that, although (Larry Savage) is a very knowledge candidate, he doesn’t seem to have gotten any traction, and I think that Chairman Lee has done everything possible to discredit Bill Byrne, and that that could certainly hurt our former commissioner, and it actually could come down to just two candidates, and that would be Mike Boyce, who has an excellent, excellent background and record of leadership, and the commissioner,” Cooper said.

And the traditional belief is that anytime an incumbent has a runoff, he is in trouble, she said.

“Certainly if Bill Byrne doesn’t make the runoff because of what Tim Lee has done to him, his voters are never going to go to Tim Lee,” Cooper said. “In fact, they are probably going to be so motivated to go out and vote for whoever the opponent is, it will be unbelievable.”

Former Cobb Board of Education chairwoman Betty Gray of Mableton, who also is not endorsing anyone, also believes the TSPLOST will play a role in the election

“There’s the connection with the TSPLOST and how each of (the four candidates) has defined their position on that, and for seniors in my area, that’s going to define it,” Gray said. “If you divided it out, the seniors in this area are going to be ‘no’ for the TSPLOST. I think it’s hard to see what a penny does when there are a number of people without jobs.”

Like Cooper and Gray, former county chairman Earl Smith, who is voting for Lee, believes the TSPLOST will hurt Lee at the ballot box.

“I don’t think it will help him, especially in the western district,” Smith said.

For one, it’s a tax increase, Smith said.

“It’s kind of like Obama healthcare,” Smith said of the TSPLOST. “We passed the legislation, and then we’ll decide what’s in it once you passed it. I do believe some of people have a little bit of difficulty that the people in Cobb County are not going to have control of how the money is going to be spent and what projects will ultimately be built, and I think that’s still loose.”

Brian Noyes, a lobbyist with Brock Clay Government and Public Affairs, said endorsements and connections are not always in people’s thoughts when they vote.

“There’s a universe of voters who are going there who are specifically Tim Lee voters or specifically Bill Byrne voters who are not going to be connecting the TSPLOST to any of this stuff,” said Noyes, who is supporting Lee.

An unknown factor is what the daily commuter ends up deciding, he said.

“We all know the local activists and where they stand,” Noyes said. “I just don’t know if the commuter voice is going to be heard at this level or not.”

Noyes said there is a high probability of a runoff between Lee and Byrne.

“Ronald Reagan used to say you have the principle of three in elections, and that is a voter remembers three things about you … and one of those has to be your name,” he said. “That’s why an incumbent usually has an advantage.”

Smith also said that while Lee has the edge in the race, a runoff is likely.

“I thought Bill Byrne was going to be the strongest of the other candidates because he has the county-wide connection, and of course the western part of the county is prone to vote for some of the issues he supported, but I don’t know, you get signs of Mike Boyce, a lot of people like him,” Smith said.

Cobb GOP Chairman Joe Dendy, who is not taking a position on the four Republican candidates or the TSPLOST so as not to divide the Republican Party, believes the TSPLOST will play a significant role in determining the next county chairman, although whether it ends up helping or hurting Lee isn’t clear.

“It’s hard to tell with the kind of money that’s being spent on promoting the acceptance of the TSPLOST,” Dendy said. “Many of the electors wait until the last two weeks to make up their mind on who they’re going to vote for and what they’re going to vote for and base their decision a lot on TV commercials. That’s an unfortunate thing, but that’s how so many Americans base their decision on TV commercials, but they do, and that’s why you see heavy money being spent. … Yet the grassroots efforts of the anti-TSPLOST folks is extremely strong. We’ve seen here in Georgia many times that the grassroots wins out over the big money.”

Lee’s own position on the TSPLOST subject has been somewhat complicated.

After voting in favor of the TSPLOST list in October, he said, “I did the right thing.” Also in October, Commissioner Bob Ott said in a talk to the Madison Forum that Lee had blocked the Board of Commissioners from taking a position on or even discussing the 10-year transportation tax or the list of proposed projects.

Earlier this month, the Journal asked the five commissioners how each would vote on the subject. Ott and JoAnn Birrell said they were voting no, Woody Thompson didn’t respond to the question, Helen Goreham said to list her in the “undecided/no answer” category, while Lee answered the question this way: “Chairman Lee felt that his vote, how he voted was one he didn’t want to share, but he supports the referendum and the people’s choice to decide their future.”

Then on Tuesday, Lee sat on the front row for a “Get out the Vote” TSPLOST rally in Smyrna in which Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed and former Gov. Roy Barnes urged voters to vote for the tax hike. But Lee didn’t speak at the lectern with Reed, Barnes, Mathews and Smyrna Mayor Max Bacon.
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TIC
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July 30, 2012
Tim has torpedoed HIMSELF time and again. Don't blame it primarily on the TSPLOST.

Everytime he opens his mouth he does further damage. Not only to himself, but to any person or any issue he supports or associates with.

His credibility is shot, his leadership is non existent and his intellect and judgement are so suspect that he has no business representing the citizens of Cobb County.
dmkochatl
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July 30, 2012
From Texas--natives refer to them as "Carpetbaggers"
Just Sayin'
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July 30, 2012
The TSPLOST is only one reason Tim won't get another turn at bat. His reliance on the chamber is the real issue.
FROM TEXAS
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July 30, 2012
Let’s hope that Timmy Lee doesn’t get in if he does than look for TSPLOST and Obama to get back in office. The Republican Party is full of old Dixiecrats and a lot of these are Pork Barrel cronies and the others are looking for the government to do everything for them; they moved down here to get away from high taxes and now they are raising all the taxes with liberal agendas.
KSUsed
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July 29, 2012
....can't believe no one has commented....hmmmm
Weekend comments
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July 30, 2012
Comments made on the weekends rarely get posted before Monday morning. The staff needs a day off, too.
VFP42
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July 29, 2012
What did Tim Lee "do" to Bill Byrne? Is Romney "doing" it to Obama when he talks about what Obama said 4 years ago about how if unemployment was greater than 7% then Obama's would be a single term Presidency?

MDJ obviously has doubled their standards! Wait no, I meant MDJ obviously has a double standard. Yeah, THAT is the MDJ we all know and "love."
Big Shanty Girl
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July 29, 2012
Tim has already torpedoed himself with his "fair tax" for Cobb proposal with an added sales tax in

addition to TSPLOST.
East Cobber
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July 29, 2012
I voted early and the TSPLOST is why I did not vote for TIM LEE.
the very worst thing
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July 29, 2012
about TSPLOST is that even when Cobb rejects it, we can be forced against our will to participate if it passes region wide. Sounds like socialism to me.
Big Shanty Girl
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July 29, 2012
Mark Matthews endorsement is the kiss of political death for Tim Lee.
SG68
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July 29, 2012
I think everyone is seeing just how untrustworthy Tim Lee is.

That was demonstrated when he promised not to raise the millage and then turned right around and did it anyway.

Both the anti TSPLOST voters and the pro TSPLOST voters have been given an example of just how weak Tim Lee is when it comes to taking a position on thorny issues.

I guess he thinks it is smart to toe the line and not make a committment one way or the other.

As far as not speaking at the pro TSPLOST rally, I think to TSPLOST advocates see Lee as more of a liability than an asset to their cause.

Every time he opens his mouth he says something that is either totally indecipherable or just stupid.
;-)
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July 29, 2012
Tim Lee's support of taxes generally and specifically are what will hurt his vote count. Within just the few years of Mr. Lee's tenure as Commission Chairman, he pushed Cobb residents to support the last LOCAL Option Sales Tax in Cobb because without it he said property taxes would have to be raised. Then within months he delivered a new property tax increase to Cobb property owners. His support of yet another tax on Cobb citizens to fund Atlanta Regional transit and traffic projects through TSPLOST is the third strike. You're OUT!
Anyone but Byrne!
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July 29, 2012
We do NOT need Byrne and his 19th century management style. Remember Bedminister and the comments he made concerning Cobb County when running for office in Polk Co. He HAS not changed like he said, just a political statement to fool th voters. He I the sme ole Byrne, divisive, egotistical and a very unsteady candidate . Please vote for anyone except him, h will take the county back 20 years with his unruly, dictator leadership.
anonymous
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July 29, 2012
--RE: The competition that he has, they’re all pretty extreme in their positions, whether it be on TSPLOST or taxes or anything else,” said Mathews,--

So, responsible government spending and low taxes is now "extreme" in Cobb county.

Only an idiot or Cobb county rino (am I being redundant?) would say that.

Is It Fixed ?
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July 28, 2012
Cobb County TV23 will not broadcast election results live as they have done in years past. Reportedly, it's because Secretary of State Brian Kemp will not share the data feed. This is the same Kemp that added the "promotional preamble" to the TSPLOST ballot. What are they hiding?

Be sure to vote NO on TSPLOST. You may need to make up for a creative ballot or two. Every vote counts !
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