Reader differs on need to carry weapons
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DEAR EDITOR:

After reading the story “East Cobb resident aims to arm women in county,” in Sunday’s MDJ, I felt I needed to share a different perspective.

While I agree that we should be able to protect ourselves, our families and our homes from criminals with a firearm, I believe that Ms. Finch and, especially, the NRA want to go too far with their philosophy.

There is a picture of Ms. Finch with her gun getting ready to go grocery shopping. Should that be the new normal now? Should all of us have a gun when we are in the grocery store? The article mentions two separate instances where one woman was pick-pocketed and another woman was slapped on her buttocks. Both of these occurrences are certainly disheartening and discouraging, but are they instances where a gun should have been used? Should our society become like the Wild West in the movies, where everyone shoots everyone to resolve their conflict?

The NRA would like to see everyone carrying a gun in all places including bars, schools and churches. There are drunk people in bars, impulsive young people at school and peace-loving people who expect a weapon-free place of worship. So carrying guns in these places is a bad idea, but the NRA wants to change that.

There are recent incidents in the news where certain individuals decided to use their guns in a moment of anger, when there could have been a more peaceful approach.

Let’s use common sense and pray about it.

Maria Acevedo

Marietta
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Lib in Cobb
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February 18, 2014
@please: I am not Foley, but thank you.

You have mistaken my passion for bullying.
Lib in Cobb
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February 15, 2014
@Finch: I know you will not answer the very simple question which I have asked a number of times. It is unfortunate that you are so paranoid that carrying a gun into Kroger is a necessity.

It is obvious that you draw a great deal of comfort from carrying a pistol. You are a danger to us all, due to your paranoia. It is my sincere hope that you don't misinterpret your less than adequate profiling/assessment of a stranger and

cause a great deal of harm or death as in the case of George Zimmerman or Michael Dunn.

I urge you to get the help that you so obviously need, before you make a tragic mistake.
Elizabeth F
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February 15, 2014
I have nothing more to say to you. You'll call it hiding but that's fine. Think whatever you like. Have a nice life with your accusations, assumptions and judgments.
Lib in Cobb
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February 16, 2014
@Elizabeth: People rarely see the need for help, especially when paranoia is the problem. Elizabeth, you demonstrate significant signs of paranoia. Your need to carry a gun, your need to evaluate strangers in parking lots, in grocery store aisles and I am sure in many other locations, your very regular need not to answer legitimate questions (running and hiding), your inability to decide, your suggestion that I speak with those who know you, these are very visible signs of someone who is troubled. Every person who suffers from paranoia has a story of their past which will justify their current behavior, in a large percentage of the time those anecdotes are either not true or they are greatly embellished. Those anecdotes are repeated so often that they have become part of their life, even though they may not be true or they are greatly exaggerated.

For the sake of your family, friends and any strangers you may meet, please seek the help which you obviously need. There is a better life waiting for you.

My words to you are not accusations, assumptions or judgments, they are observations.
Roy Bean
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February 16, 2014
At Lib and Liz

Lib if you do not want to care a weapon then fine that is your choice, but unless you are an elected official with the power to enact law then you need to accept the fact that it is a person's own choice and decision if the want to carry.

Liz if you want to carry and you have passed the background check and have a permit then its your choice.

Now if the two of you would have spent the same amount of time helping our seniors, homeless, veterans or abused women and kids as you have jawing, posturing and blowing smoke then imagine the good you could have accomplished.

Now get off your high horses and accept the fact that some people are going to carry a weapon and some are not. It's a fact.

I just hope Liz never has the need to use hers and I do hope Lib never finds himself in a position where he wished he had a weapon.

Now go forth and play nice.
Lib in Cobb
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February 17, 2014
@Roy, There is nothing wrong the exchange of points of view, nor is it a time hog.

Yes, I understand I have the right to not carry a gun. That does not mean I will silent on gun issue/problem/epidemic.
pleasefindahobby
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February 17, 2014
@Roy Bean, bless your heart. You wrote a perfect response to the endless bantering and yet Lib in Cobb still couldn't help himself. He just couldn't keep his mouth shut. He's like a bratty 3-year old. He hijacks every post, possible, and is a mean-spirited bully. I swear he's Kevin Foley and iffff he's not, they're sure cut from the same cloth. (That's not a compliment, by the way)

Both are childish and inconsiderate and condescending. Especially to women. I only hope they don't have a wife, or heaven forbid...daughters. They'll never have to know the paralyzing fear that women experience, day in and day out. How we always have to be aware of our surroundings and hope we won't be assaulted or raped or killed. You have to plan out your arrival and departure times to certain places because you don't want to find yourself in a dangerous situation.

I hope Elizabeth is done responding to this classless buffoon. When you continue arguing with a fool, you get sucked in and start looking like a fool yourself. Too bad that Foley and Lib in Cobb can't find a hobby to utilize the massive amounts of free time they both, obviously have.
Roy Bean
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February 17, 2014
At Pleasefindahobby Thank you!!!! Sometimes people dwell on an issue that they have no control over, like the weather and then ignore the real problems around them. Sorta like them Dalton boys when the decided to get uppity and started robbing everyone and anyone instead of sticking to the railroads and mines.
Roy Bean
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February 14, 2014
Lib in Cobb here is how well your figures are calculated and they are flawed.

By Rob Barry, Madeline Farbman, Jon Keegan, and Palani Kumanan. Source: FBI

Methodology

The FBI collects this data from the states, except for Florida. Florida doesn't use the FBI's guidelines when reporting additional information about homicides. The FBI data don't capture all homicides. The states' reporting is voluntary, and the country's thousands of police agencies aren't consistent in how they report. Some states, including New York, reported no justifiable homicides at all for some years. In recording the circumstances of a murder, the information recorded in the FBI data may capture only the relationship of the killer to one of the victims -- but not other victims -- in a given situation. Because of the unlimited number of scenarios in which a homicide can occur, the coding used in the FBI database may not explain the full set of circumstances involved.

The data in this interactive is best read as a big-picture summary of the crimes committed nationwide. Not all descriptions may be completely accurate, and further details of specific situations are not available. The information in this database does not reflect convictions for murder or other criminal charges.

Lib in Cobb
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February 15, 2014
Roy Bean: Thank you for your input. The figures I posted are not mine. Statistics being generated by any government agency are usually flawed.

"There are lies, damned lies and statistics".
Lib in Cobb
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February 14, 2014
@Liz: As a PS. That gut feeling previously mentioned has nothing to do with something I had for lunch. It has everything to do with your continued refusal to answer and dance around something which has the potential of being very ugly.

Elizabeth F
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February 14, 2014
Lib, your racist allusions are reprehensible. I have zero respect for such nastiness. Try to enjoy your life as best as your insignificant little mind allows.



Lib in Cobb
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February 15, 2014
@Liz: I never mentioned race. You have repeatedly refused to answer a simple question. Is the answer a secret only available to gun whackos who evaluate people in grocery stores to determine if that person is a potential threat.

It is vey typical for the right wingers to call any liberal a racist, when they are attempting to cover up their own very ugly truth.

If the answer isn't ugly then why will you not post it. You are still running and hiding.

As previously mentioned, you need therapy more than a gun.

Lib in Cobb
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February 15, 2014
@Liz: I knew full well you would not post any of the names. It was you who invited me to speak to those who know you.

It seems you have a great deal of difficulty making up your mind. Typical.
Lib in Cobb
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February 13, 2014
@Liz: OK, I will check with your friends. Complete names, addresses and phone numbers will be needed.
Elizabeth F
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February 13, 2014
Looks like you also need a class in Internet safety.
Lib in Cobb
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February 13, 2014
@JR Choate: I have listed my sources. FBI, Liberal, I don't think so. CDC and Poitifact non-partisan. You can always look it up for yourself. Don't get hurt while tripping over the truth.
Lib in Cobb
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February 11, 2014
There have been more Americans killed by domestic gunfire in this country, than all the wars in which the US has fought.

Domestic Gunfire Deaths: 1,384,171 since 1968

War Deaths of all wars fought in by US:1,171,177

A difference of 212,994.

Source: Mark Shields, PBS

Validated by: PolitiFact

The figures were gleaned from The CDC and the FBI.

We should not be proud of this part of our history.

Elizabeth F
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February 12, 2014
And how many of those were murders (not valid self-defense instances) committed by law abiding gun owners?
Lib in Cobb
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February 12, 2014
@Elizabeth: This is all gunfire deaths, including suicides, murders, self defense shootings, etc.

JRChoate
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February 13, 2014
Ah, yes....the faked and manipulated statistic....

The last bastion of the liberal without a leg to stand on...

Guido Sarducci
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February 14, 2014
I note that you conveniently overlooked disclosing the fact that, according to the latest available information, around 60% of the gun deaths each year are SUICIDES.

As usual, figures do not lie, but liars sure know how to use figures.
Lib in Cobb
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February 15, 2014
@Guido: Please produce the source. The issue here is not so much suicide or murder or justifiable homicide, it is the presence of the gun in all of these deaths. You have missed that point, which is not a surprise.

We have a nation here which is gun crazy. So crazy that some gun owners profile customers in a grocery store to determine a possible threat. I can't remember the number of times I have had to fight off these potential threats in the produce aisle.
Guido Sarducci
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February 15, 2014
The source for the percentage of suicides is the same one from which you quoted the figures. You just have to read ALL of it, not glean the part you want.

Your remark that we are a "gun crazy"nation is irresponsible and totally false. Guns are not the problem. People are the problem. There have been murders and suicides from the beginning of recorded history. Guns have not been around that long.
Lib in Cobb
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February 11, 2014
@Liz: OK, situational awareness, you have mentioned that several times. I get it. You still are avoiding my question on the criteria you use to evaluate a potential threat. Please provide specifics. I don't have the time nor the inclination to take a situational awareness course.
Elizabeth F
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February 12, 2014
"I don't have the time nor the inclination to take a situational awareness course."

Checkmate.
Lib in Cobb
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February 12, 2014
@Elizabeth: You told us a very partial history, but you continue to avoid answering my question. Most women these days know what to do in case they are met with similar circumstances, without a situational awareness course.

Not a checkmate at all, a stalemate due to you refusal. The more you refuse, the more I know the answer would be distasteful.

BTW, I don't feel I am owed answers because of my political and social leanings. You set yourself up for review when you participated in a very public arena. Now, post public arena participation, you want to hide from the questions. Perhaps you should think before your next public appearance.
Elizabeth F
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February 12, 2014
Lib, how do you know my answer would be distasteful? What are you insinuating?

You should ask people who actually know me if hiding is in my bag of reactions, ever. I can assure they would refute you on that. It's simply that your attempts at intimidation are fruitless.

And the fact that you admit no interest in putting forth any effort whatsoever to learn about situational awareness says that your only interest here is to further your own misguided agenda.
Lib in Cobb
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February 13, 2014
@Liz: If you don't want to think I am insinuating anything distasteful, just answer my original question. I will think as I wish.

I don't know anyone you may know. I am certain that your friends and I would have nothing in common. I will continue to form my own opinions about your criteria. My gut feeling is that those criteria used by you are not very pretty.

Elizabeth F
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February 13, 2014
Lib, I don't care what you insinuate or think about me, as I am not accountable to you. Just know that I realize what's between your words that you're too afraid to just come out and say and I would caution you against making such assumptions because you know how that saying goes. And that feeling in you gut may just be a bad lunch which did not agree with you.
Lib in Cobb
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February 14, 2014
@Liz: If your criteria was not objectionable you would post them.

In the original article of Feb. 2, 2014, you said, "I will go down another aisle if I think someone is suspicious". Once more, what makes you think that any person is suspicious or poses a threat while grocery shopping?

You need therapy more than a gun.
Lib in Cobb
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February 14, 2014
@Liz: It seems you do care what I am insinuating. First you asked, "What are you insinuating"? The you suggested I ask your friends. Then you said, "I don't care". Which is it?
Lib in Cob
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February 11, 2014
"I keep guns in my home because I am 43 times more likely to kill a family member, a friend or acquaintance and 22 times more likely to commit suicide than to kill an intruder".

New England Journal of Medicine
budone1967
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February 10, 2014
@Lib in Cobb

As someone who was shot in February of 2000 during an armed robbery, I can tell you how to determine a threat. When five teenage thugs point two stolen gun at you and demand all your wallet. I unfortunately was forced to be unarmed because of Georgia law at the time, my gun was fifty yards away in my truck. Had I been armed that faithful night I don't know if it would have changed the out come, but I can assure you it would have changed the odds.

My point is you never know when or where the bad guys are going to find you. If you want to go through life unarmed that's your choice and your right. You have no right to take that choice and right away from e or anyone else.
Lib in Cobb
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February 11, 2014
@budone: I would like to see much greater controls on all guns. As I have mentioned earlier, I could buy any gun I want privately with no questions asked. I could go to a gun show in a variety of states and buy my choice of any firearm, with no questions asked. The same can be said for purchases made on the web. In states such as NY and MA where there are strict gun control laws, there is still significant levels of gun violence, proof positive that those laws are to a degree ineffective. The gun control laws are as nearly ineffective as immigration laws and the laws which make weed illegal.

My proposal is to tighten up all gun control laws to a point where, manufacturing and importation of all guns and gun related items are tightly monitored. No more gun shows, extensive background checks for all purchases, paid for by the buyer, a very high tax on anything related to guns, a 90 day waiting period on all guns and related items. Most states in the US have a better idea of how many cars are within their borders compared to guns.

If you have a need for a gun and wish to carry, you had better have a very good reason. The Elizabeth Finch paranoia is not a good reason.

There are more than 10,000 murders in the US each year where a gun is the weapon of choice. The overall annual cost of survived gunshot wounds and fatalities is over $170 billion, just in healthcare costs, a very large percentage of those costs is paid for by the taxpayers.

The second amendment needs to be changed to match the 21st century firearm technology and the constant violence associated with guns.

Lastly, I am sorry to hear of your injuries and I hope the responsible individuals were apprehended and prosecuted.
RabbiVJ
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February 10, 2014
@Lib in Cobb

So let me ask you something, what criteria do YOU use to determine a threat? Do you have any? Probably not. 99% of the time Situational Awareness determines if someone is a threat or not. you have to be cognizant of your surroundings...
Lib in Cobb
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February 10, 2014
@Rabbi: It's nice to see you are speaking for others. Finch has dodged the question.

Lib in Cobb
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February 11, 2014
@JRChoate: Every debate is started with a question.
RabbiVJ
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February 11, 2014
and you dodged mine. Answer the question please.
Lib in Cobb
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February 14, 2014
@Rabbi: I don't have any criteria at all which is used to determine a threat. I don't pass through life believing that I must evaluate every person I see in the Kroger produce aisle or anywhere else.
Lib in Cobb
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February 10, 2014
Elizabeth Finch, the focus of a previous article here involving firearms has twice refused to answer my question involving the criteria which she uses to determine if someone is a potential threat. Elizabeth would rather debate, Elizabeth is completely unaware that answering questions is at the very core of any debate.

Elizabeth,I am now giving you a third opportunity to answer a very simple question.
Elizabeth F
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February 10, 2014
I've already addressed you to the full extent to which I intend. You can make assumptions about me all you like but I will not cater to your baiting tactics. I suppose you think I'm supposed to care about what conclusions you might draw of me based on a minute amount of information. The reality is, that I don't and I haven't any obligation or desire to cow-tow to your Internet tantrums.
Guido Sarducci
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February 10, 2014
Lib, I think the lady is ignoring you, along with your irrelevant question.
JRChoate
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February 10, 2014
Lib, why should she bother?

For the record, a debate is when people use logical discussion to express their viewpoints. It is not all about "answering questions."

Plus, even if she did answer, you would claim she is wrong. That is because you do not want to hear her answer, you want to hear your answer from her, and that will not happen.

Your statement to the bar owner shows that you are not here to learn, you are only here to troll people so you can claim you were right all along if you succeed in baiting them.
Lib in Cobb
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February 10, 2014
@Liz, It's a simple question and far from a tantrum. It is you who has mentioned the process of avoiding people who you deem to be a potential threat. Must be lonely inside of you.
Lib in Cobb
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February 10, 2014
@Liz: Since you have refused to answer my question, I am left to guess at the criteria used by you to determine if any particular person may pose a threat. I can also believe that some of the criteria is most likely distasteful.

Again, answering questions is a large part of any debate.
Lib in Cobb
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February 11, 2014
Guido: No, she is not ignoring me, she is refusing to answer a question, but she claims she is willing to debate. Questions are always a central part of any debate.

I have come to understand that she has something to hide.
Elizabeth F
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February 11, 2014
@Lib: Just because someone is not willing to share something with you does not mean they've anything to hide. But, being a lib, it would make sense that you would feel entitled to anything you want, with no consideration to the rights of others.

But you know what? I'm going to share a story with you in the hopes that you learn a little something because I'm optimistic like that. It's a story about situational awareness and how I used it to protect myself. I was in Union City, not far from my childhood home, and the year was 1991 on a Saturday morning. I was a teenager and had just left the family mechanic after having my car serviced and drove about three miles to WalMart to return something. I noticed a man in a van who had been behind me since shortly after leaving the mechanic pulled into a space near me and his attention was focused on me. I got out of my car and went into the store. He followed me. When I stopped at the return desk, he circled around, keeping his eyes on me, and left the store. I was alert and aware but didn't feel it warranted any action at that point. When I got back to my car, he was still there, in his van, with the engine running.

He proceeded to follow me, all around. I took long ways around lots and ducked in and out of various lots to determine if he was truly following me. When it was clear that his being behind me was not a coincidence, I proceeded onto Hwy 138. I began speeding in the hopes to either lose him or that one of us would be stopped by the police. I was doing 85 in a 55 and a police officer, in that same jurisdiction, passed right by me in the opposite direction without so much as a flash of his lights. He remained behind me. I then drove to the Union City police station which was located right along the main drag. He parked about eight spaces down from me. I got out of my car and got the attention of an officer coming out of the station. At this point, he apparently realized my intended destination was the police station and no other location along the strip. He backed out of his space and began to move along. Surely deciding that I was no longer a preferable target for him.

I was asked to remain at the station to complete a report and, for safety reasons, to not go home until they'd been able to try to locate him. They didn't want to chance him waiting for me and being able to ascertain where I lived. I heartily agreed because I was a pretty smart cookie and my mom was home. I certainly didn't want to endanger her as well.

They had his tag number as soon as he passed by and they very shortly knew something I found out after they caught up with him. He was wanted for murder and had multiple warrants for his arrest for rape and assault.

Someone who had not been taught situational awareness would have very likely ended up dead and a subject of the evening news that day. You may not care whether I'm alive or dead but I have a precious multitude of family and friends who would be heartbroken if I were killed. I value that enough to take care of myself the best I am able so that my negligence doesn't aid in creating pain for them.

You'd be much better off, and probably happier, spending some time learning about situational awareness and keeping an open mind instead of assigning characteristics to people you don't know and pushing an agenda.
Maria A.
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February 09, 2014
The issues I have with the NRA is that they feel like it's almost a God-given right to be able to carry a firearm everywhere, and that there shouldn't be too much regulation that should impede anyone from doing so. First of all, God is probably just pretty sad about all of this since HE is not in favor of guns or any type of violence. Secondly, the more people armed with guns, the more violence we're going to see. Some examples would be, the recent shooting at the movies because the other person was texting, the man who shot into the car of teenagers because their music was too loud, domestic disputes, road rage, and bullying with a gun that would end differently than without a gun. I could go on and on. Let's not let the NRA trample on our common sense and sense of decency.
Elizabeth F
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February 10, 2014
Maria,

Let'a have a conversation about common sense. How is it common sense to expect laws to discourage criminals? Before I agree to make myself defenseless against those who would choose to harm me, I want you to tell me EXACTLY how you propose to keep me safe against criminals without any regard for the law. And, while you're at it, I want to know how you propose to remove all evil from the world. I'm anxious to hear your world-altering solution.

As far as more people being armed with guns the more violence there will be, you're just wrong there. Speaking on things about which you are not educated makes you look foolish. I'd like to know exactly from where your data comes. And then I'd like you to tell me why Kennesaw, GA isn't teeming with murders and why Chicago is. And if you'd like to point out to me that there are more illegal guns or criminals in Chicago, then I will refer you to back to the part in the first paragraph of this response regarding criminals and the law.

And I suggest, before you go speaking for God, that you verify for me that you are God. I am a Christian and my relationship with God is my business, not yours. When I need guidance, I'll consult directly with him if that's okay with you.
reader in Gwinnett
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February 10, 2014
"the more people armed with guns, the more violence we're going to see"

I believe you need to give this belief a little more thought. It has been reported often enough in the news that gun ownership in America is at its highest level ever. It has also been reported that violent crime rates are at their lowest level in many years. If more guns lead to more violence, how could that possibly be happening?
Lib in Cobb
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February 11, 2014
@Guido: You are another reason why I don't patronize dive bars. I prefer a much more civilized environment.
Anonymous Bar Owner
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February 07, 2014
Get's, Kevin? There is no apostrophe in that word, brother. But you keep writing those columns! Glad to hear you are not packing heat as accuracy doesn't appear to be your thing. Guess that's what editors are for. In the meantime, both Ms. Finch and her husband are hereby authorized to carry firearms in my bar any time.

Here's my two cents on the gun debate... I'm alive to give this report because I had a Colt .45 with me the night someone decided to carjack me. I was at an IHOP waiting to meet a police officer when it happened. Folks, the police were already on the way and they were no help. You have to look out for yourself and the ones you love in this world because nobody is going to do it for you.

Lib in Cobb
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February 08, 2014
@Bar Owner: Only someone with a small mind makes an issue out of a very minor grammatical error.

You being a bar owner makes me glad I don't go into dive bars.
Guido Sarducci
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February 10, 2014
Lib, only someone with a moron's mentality would write something as banal and mindless as what you wrote about this man.

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BTW, I am also glad you do not go into dive bars. They are the last bastion of real men. Wusses like you simply do not belong.
JRChoate
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February 07, 2014
Maria, I have prayed on it. I pray on it every night.

Luckily, every night the prayer is the same. I thank God that I did not have to use my weapon that day, and I pray to him that I don't have to use it the next day.

I am all the time reading about how gun owners want to re-enact the wild west, that the average carrier is a closet Rambo just hoping to go off on the next person to look at them the wrong way. I'm sorry, but that is so far from the truth.

The way I am, and the way most carriers I know, is the exact opposite. We understand that bad things happen. We understand that evil exists. We have homeowners insurance, car insurance. We keep fire extinguishers and smoke alarms in our homes, jumpers cables and jacks in our cars. We work full time, attend church, volunteer our time to help others, and we carry a gun.

I will be honest. I hope I die of old age having never pulled my weapon from its holster. I have no doubt that if I have to pull my weapon, I will have no qualms about using it. But, I will do what I can to avoid that. I will keep aware of my surroundings, i will avoid knowingly putting myself into dangerous situations, and I will attempt to de-escalate bad situations I may find myself in.

Maria, I understand you don't feel comfortable with guns. You choose not to carry one. I respect that. All the carriers I know respect that. All we ask for is the same respect. Contrary to popular belief, we are not trying to force you to carry a gun, we just you would quit trying to force us not to carry.
armed and a grandma
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February 07, 2014
I have to say that I am shocked at the liberal point of view of a lot of people. You preach peace and leave us alone.. but when another person has a different point of view than you do, out come the claws and cue the crying. I am a woman, I am a mother, wife and a grandmother, and I carry a gun. I carry a gun as a precaution. I personally refuse to become a victim or a statistic. I have never had to pull my gun but there have been a few times that I felt much safer knowing that I had it. I value life to the utmost but if given the choice of becoming a victim or using my gun for which I am highly trained to use, I will use the gun and never bat an eye. I am not a crazy rebel or gun nut, but I am a citizen of the United States of America and I have been given the right to defend myself by the Constitution. Protecting myself includes when I am in the grocery store, church, my car or in my bed at night. The criminal element in the world today does not care if you have a sign on your door that says NO GUNS ALLOWED or if you are a grandmother or a fit young person. They are evil and will do what they want until we decide we have had enough. God bless Ms Finch for doing what she is doing. It is time more people took a stand and we took America back from the evil element of humanity.
Elizabeth F
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February 07, 2014
I must take issue with your comment regarding the NRA wanting everyone to be armed. Gun rights activists really have no opinion on whether or not you choose to be armed but we do want the right and ability for everyone to be able to defend and protect themselves as they see fit.

I do not take issue with anyone's choice to not carry but I do take issue with being told that I haven't the right to.

Further, this article is a little misleading. I was neither aware nor involved in either of the minor incidents. I don't even shop at this Kroger. And if you'll notice, I stressed situational awareness, education and responsibility above all.

And please, I encourage you to visit YouTube and search for "elizabeth finch gco hb875" and really listen to my four and a half minutes of testimony from yesterday's committee hearing on the Safe Carry Protection Act. It's not about forcing anything on anyone, it's about restoring trust to the general citizenry. I support anyone's right to choose to not carry a firearm and I expect that same courtesy to be extended to me if I do choose to carry one.
Lib in Cobb
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February 08, 2014
@Finch: In the comment section of the article in which you were featured several days ago, I asked how you go about determining if someone poses a threat. You never answered, please answer now.
Elizabeth F
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February 09, 2014
@Lib in Cobb: If you are truly interested in self protection and learning how to avoid dangerous situations as best possible, then I suggest you take a class on situational awareness and avoiding becoming a victim.

But, reading your comments here and on the previous article, it is apparent that you have very little knowledge of the gun industry or the Second Amendment and no interest at all in learning about things which you do not understand.

I do not engage with small minds whose interest is in baiting rather than debating.
Lib in Cobb
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February 10, 2014
@Finch: Because I disagree with the gun carry activists does not equate to having a small mind. I am more than willing to debate you on the issue at hand, you Elizabeth, are unwilling to answer a very simple question which I have now asked twice.

If you don't wish to answer the question of how do you decide who is a threat, I am left to assume that you don't have answer, due to your lack of capacity.

BTW, answering questions is an integral part of debating. Since you are running away from answering this very simple question, I now know you have never debated anyone on any topic. Running from a question is very typical for those who are less than adequate.
2nd amender
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February 10, 2014
@ Lib in Cobb

Sir if you are unable to determine if some one is a threat to you then you really need to take off the rose colored glasses, and put the joint down.

You claim to have lived in big cities and never needed a gun, well that's just fine and dandy but it does not give you the right to bash those people who believe in the 2nd amendment and have decided to apply for a concealed carry permit and carry a weapon.

Every time a person is killed by a weapon you libs jump up and want to ban weapons, why don't you do that for knives, cars, airplanes, drugs and child abusers. Go out and look at how many people are killed in the US and how they died then maybe you can get a new agenda.
Lib in Cobb
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February 10, 2014
@2ndamender: Guns are the weapon of choice in a vast majority of murders, nearly 70% according to the FBI statistics. If cars, planes, etc. were invented for the expressed purpose of killing, then we could have a different conversation. Please don't compare guns to child molesters, it is an immature and inaccurate comparison. I wouldn't expect anything different from a 2ndamender.
anonymous
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February 07, 2014
I have carried a weapon for over 40 years. If I leave my house its on my hip. I carried it for work for many years and now I carry it for my personal protection.

I have only had the need to pull it one time and the other person was armed and in the process of trying to hurt an individual.

You can pray over the gun issue all you want but there may come a time in your life that you wish you had a weapon to protect yourself or a family member.

In today's society the police take way too long to respond to a life threatening situation. So unless an officer is there at the time of a situation you are up the creek without a paddle.

I cannot remember how many times I have walked into a store, a bank or across a parking lot and have seen people make an immediate departure from the area. Was it due to the fact they were bout to break a law and saw me armed or was it because they were scared of me.

Most likely because they were up to no good and the over 60 man with a bad limp would not be a problem to an armed thug unless that old dude was also armed.

So bottom line if you don't want to carry a weapon fine don't carry one but on the same playing field do not make me register or give mine up unless you figure out and enforce a method to make the criminal do the same.
Lib in Cobb
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February 08, 2014
@Anonymous: So you carried a gun for 40 years and you had to pull it out once, seems like the odds are on the side of those who don't see the need for you to carry a gun every where you go.

Sounds like you need help with your paranoia.

I have lived in and around large cities my entire life. I have never needed a gun. Again, the odds are in my favor.

BTW, since you register your car, why are you so opposed to registering your guns? More paranoia?

I would gladly take your gun away, if you refused to register it.
why not
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February 08, 2014
You are so right anonymous. Thank God the guy in the movie theater in Florida was armed when he confronted someone illegally texting. Thank God another guy could keep unruly teenagers from playing their music too loud by firing twelve times into their car. Don't forget the man who opened his door and fired a shotgun into the face of a young woman who had been injured in a auto accident and was seeking help. Shoot first and ask questions later then yell "STAND MY GROUND".
Guido Sarducci
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February 07, 2014
Again,Kevin. You are running off at the mouth about something of which you know nothing. For a long time, the NRA has been at the forefront of the battle to keep the government from infringing on our Second Amendment Rights. they are not a perfect organization, by far, but then they were there wehn nobody was speaking up.

As to this woman's, and yours for that matter, opinion as to who should carry a gun and where, both of you express the "wussy" side of the question.
Lib in Cobb
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February 08, 2014
@Guido: The NRA is a cheerleading squad for the gun whackos. The NRA is a lobbying organization for the firearm industry. The NRA's purpose is to make it's membership believe that President Obama is going to take your guns away, which is nothing more than a "right wing gun nut" lie.

The second was not written so that you or anyone else could amass an arsenal. The second was not written to make murder more efficient. The second is not a cloak of righteousness for the gun nuts to wrap themselves in.

James Holmes was able to arm himself to the teeth via the internet, with NO questions asked. I could walk into a gun show tomorrow in a variety of states and buy any kind of gun I wish with NO questions asked. I could buy an AR 15 privately with NO questions asked.

Since the NRA is so involved with ownership of guns and gun safety, then why are they so opposed to keeping guns out of the hands of those who would harm us?

Kevin Foley
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February 07, 2014
That's because the NRA isn't about gun rights. It's a trade organization that's about selling more guns to more people. Period.

For more on how the NRA dumbs down the gun discussion and get's in bed with the worst elements, see my latest MDJ column.
mark g
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February 10, 2014
well to any one here that dose not like guns dont buy one you dont have to but just ask yourself this why do leos carry? its to protect there selves not you there job is to respond and depending how far away traffic you your loved ones most likely will need toe tags. i for one im not a sheep or a victim

im a nam vet and saw what happened to people that couldnt protect there selves

look at the American Indian who be-leaved what our gov said when they handed in there weapons.

well i dont trust my gov nor many otheres but i do know my fam will live or ill die trying

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