Ga. superintendent, Rep. Morgan address teacher quality
by Jon Gillooly
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December 01, 2009 01:00 AM | 1480 views | 13 13 comments | 24 24 recommendations | email to a friend | print
By Jon Gillooly

jgillooly@mdjonline.com

MABLETON — Republican State Superintendent of Schools Kathy Cox and state Rep. Alisha Thomas Morgan (D-Austell) come from opposite sides of the political spectrum, but both agree that teacher quality needs improvement in Georgia.

About 150 people turned out to listen to Cox and Morgan talk about education during a town hall meeting Monday night at Lindley Middle School.

Parent Tyrone Williams told them his daughter was academically successful last year at McEachern High School, but now that she’s a sophomore, she has encountered a teacher with such low expectations and lack of interest that she is struggling.

Williams said it’s critical that ineffective, uncaring teachers be pulled from the classroom.

In response, Cox said the trouble was that a “disproportionate” number of such problem teachers could be found in high schools.

“It’s high schools that aren’t moving,” Cox said.

Cox said the No. 1 reason high schools missed achieving Adequate Yearly Progress in the last two years is because of the math scores of black and economically disadvantaged students.

The problem can be addressed in several ways. Students must be prevented from enrolling in “dumbed down” math classes as they have for years, she said.

Georgia is not handcuffed by a powerful teachers union as some states are. School principals can fire their employees, Cox said. But the problem is they have to have solid evidence of a teacher’s ineffectiveness or they become tied up in court for years.

“We’ve got to give our (high school) principals better tools to measure teacher effectiveness. Right now, a lot of it’s based on conjecture,” Cox said.

Principals need to use standardized tests to measure teacher performance. If a school is not making AYP for three years because of math, then the math department needs to be held accountable, Cox said.

The state’s education chief said she’s piloting a new teacher evaluation measurement that doesn’t simply mark the teacher “satisfactory” or “unsatisfactory,” but links the evaluation to student progress.

“We’ve got to measure that and hold people accountable for that,” she said. “That data doesn’t lie, but sometimes we don’t want to face the reality of the data.”

Morgan said good teachers don’t mind being held accountable because they’re already doing their jobs. The good teachers resent the teacher down the hall who is showing movies to the class instead of teaching, Morgan said.

In October, Morgan’s husband, David Morgan, a member of the Cobb school board, presented a plan in which to improve the performance of existing teachers and lure new talent to the system through higher pay. But that plan remains to be approved by the school board.

Another questioner asked Cox why south Cobb schools received fewer financial resources than east Cobb schools. Cox said when it comes to funding, the state and local boards by law must equally fund each student. The confusion may come from the fact that east Cobb PTAs raise more dollars than others do, she said.

Kiddada Grey, co president of the South Cobb Council of PTAs, which represents 32 schools, spoke up on behalf of east Cobb schools, saying one of the reasons such schools are able to raise $60,000 to $70,000 is because parent involvement is close to 100 percent. For black and Hispanic students to be successful, their parents must also be involved, she said.

On high school achievement, Cox said it’s not all gloom and doom. When she took office in 2003, the graduation rate was 63.3 percent. The last school year it was 79.8 percent, she said.

However, “We can’t be afraid of the tough issues that have plagued us for a long time, and low math achievement in our state, that’s plagued us for 50 years,” she said.
comments (13)
« passing wrote on Wednesday, Dec 09 at 12:52 PM »
The problem high school math does not begin in high school... A student can fail math in 6th, 7th, and 8th grade math but still be promoted to the 9th grade. At this point, students must pass to continue. But how can an educator teach new math concepts when there is no knowledge of the middle school material? Math is not like the other subjects: you have to have mastered computation facts, equations, exponents, etc before you can be successful.

Simply put, the state needs to reevaluate how a student should be promoted from middle school to high school.
« Pay discrepancies wrote on Monday, Dec 07 at 12:14 PM »
Teacher pay also results in what appears to be disparate fuunding. In other words if an E. Cobb school has teacher with an avg tenure of 10 yrs (for example) vs one in s. cobb with avg duration of 6yrs, then there will be discrepancies tomake up for the pay differential. Performance based pay may help to balance out some of this as more yrs doen't always mean better teachers.
« EduCa8r wrote on Friday, Dec 04 at 11:51 AM »
Fallacious logic on the part of Cox & Morgan. If this is what Kathy thinks - teacher performance causes student performance - it serves to show that she is incapable of understanding the more complex issues that teachers face, particularly teachers in schools located in the southern part of the county. As for data - figures can be manipulated to show what you want them to show. Cox is completely out of touch with those of us in the trenches. It's time for her to go.
« anonymous wrote on Thursday, Dec 03 at 07:51 AM »
Some teachers are great and get the student to excel. Others are on the train for the retirement and the days off. Principals know who they are, they choose not to do anything to avoid the problems. Even basic attendance should be enough to fire a teacher that is never there.
« Funding Information wrote on Wednesday, Dec 02 at 07:18 PM »
To the poster below, actually the district funds schools on a per-pupil basis, meaning that Cobb county takes in taxes from everyone in their county and then distributes to the schools based on the headcount at the school and not how much the taxpayers in that particular school zone contribute to the pot. So a South Cobb school like Osborne receives more county level funding than an East Cobb school like Pope because it has more students (even if Pope taxpayers contribute more than South Cobb taxpayers). The disparity comes from school's private fundraising efforts - while some schools like McEachern have millions others like Osborne have close to nothing in private funds.

« me- wrote on Wednesday, Dec 02 at 10:04 AM »
@truth seeker. you make a good point, but keep in mind that higher property values (east cobb) = higher property taxes, which in turn equals more money to the schools. you also have to factor in the numbers of owners vs. renters. don't get me wrong, i agree that parental involvement is key.
« It's People wrote on Wednesday, Dec 02 at 06:13 AM »
Yes, the southside schools are getting the same fancy electronic equipment as the northside. Where are the results?
« EB7 wrote on Tuesday, Dec 01 at 07:31 PM »
You have to wonder where Cox comes up with the "disproportionate" comment concerning uncaring high school teachers, since the state has been unable to develop a working data or student tracking system despite millions spent on the effort. The state Superintendent should not be just firing off the cuff without some sort of specific support.

It would also be interesting if the knee jerk reaction to all problems that are education related did not automatically come down to the teacher busting his or her butt in the classroom. How about parents? Lousy admins? Sorry school board decisions? Lets for once target problems other than teachers. Parents would be a terrific place to start. It takes only a while in a classroom to discover that there are a good number of parents whose only skill is to complain about why Jr. did not get an A, regardless of his lack of effort...there are numerous other examples-but folks there are some sorry parents sending undisciplined, uncaring and unmotivated students to school to sit beside the kids who are trying to get an education. Discipline...please.

Lay off the teachers for a while and look at all the components of education.
« WestCobb wrote on Tuesday, Dec 01 at 07:09 PM »
If it were about the money, then McEachern would be on top because of their endowment.
« no name please wrote on Tuesday, Dec 01 at 05:40 PM »
I have taught young children for nearly 3 decaades. My children score at the top of all standardized tests every year and the vast majority would be at the top of their next year's class. You can not begin to imagine the number of times administrators meddle with my planning time, my methods of instruction, and my classroom atmosphere. A good teacher knows how to build a successful classroom with successful students. LEAVE US ALONE! IF a teacher needs help and is not doing the job, then meddle. Give that teacher some help. But please, leave good quality teachers alone! LET US TEACH!
« Free Country wrote on Tuesday, Dec 01 at 02:58 PM »
It's bad enough that we already have a tax system that redistributes wealth. Thank god Georgia isn't governed by a bunch of socialist sympathizers like Ms. Morgan and her demonrat allies or else we'd have laws mandating that private donors should "spread the wealth"!
« read between the lin wrote on Tuesday, Dec 01 at 12:25 PM »
Next step will be to have equity sharing of all resources including those raised by PTA's and Foundations. Teachers I hope you are prepared to have your worth evaluated by how your students perform on a standardized test. This isn't looking at where the students started and where they end...
« Truth Seeker wrote on Tuesday, Dec 01 at 09:56 AM »
I am so glad the MDJ is helping to clarify the myth that east cobb schools receive more money from the county than other schools. Any difference in money comes from PTA (aka private donors) money and NOT taxpayer money as some seem to think. The real issue is parent involvement and I am happy that many recognize this as the first and most critical step in turning around under-achieving schools.