Safety chief defends record; can't prove it
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Cobb Public Safety Director Mickey Lloyd, right, and his attorney William McKenney addressed the media late Wednesday afternoon after they met with Cobb Manager David Hankerson to discuss allegations that Lloyd’s military record may have been falsified. Lloyd said he is requesting documentation from three other military archives locations and the Secretary of the Navy to support his claims of winning a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. Lloyd became emotional when discussing the allegations, saying, ‘It’s been awful. There was no fraud or anything, there was no intent. I’ve never gotten more money for having military decorations, I’ve never gotten promotions for that, it had nothing to do with my employment in Cobb County.’ <br>Photo by Mike Jacoby
Cobb Public Safety Director Mickey Lloyd, right, and his attorney William McKenney addressed the media late Wednesday afternoon after they met with Cobb Manager David Hankerson to discuss allegations that Lloyd’s military record may have been falsified. Lloyd said he is requesting documentation from three other military archives locations and the Secretary of the Navy to support his claims of winning a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. Lloyd became emotional when discussing the allegations, saying, ‘It’s been awful. There was no fraud or anything, there was no intent. I’ve never gotten more money for having military decorations, I’ve never gotten promotions for that, it had nothing to do with my employment in Cobb County.’
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COBB COUNTY - While Cobb Public Safety Director Mickey Lloyd maintains he received the Silver and Bronze stars during his time in the Navy, he failed to provide any documentation listing the high honors during a two-and-a-half-hour meeting Wednesday with County Manager David Hankerson.

Hankerson had given Lloyd until Wednesday's meeting to prove he has been truthful about his military service before taking any action against Cobb's top cop. County spokesman Robert Quigley said Hankerson will review a stack of documents given to him Wednesday and a decision - which may include asking Lloyd to resign - could still happen by Friday.

When asked if Lloyd will ever be able to prove he earned the Silver and Bronze stars, as noted in a DD 214 military discharge form he provided to the county, the seven-year Cobb employee said: "I don't know. As of right now, I can't prove I have them. So I won't say I have them, I won't display them, I've never been a displayer."

Vietnam veteran and former FBI agent Oliver Halle said, "the odds are between zero and none that a Silver Star would be on your DD 214 and no back-up documentation.

"There were a lot of signatures for that and a long paper trail to follow," Halle said.

Lloyd said he did not know why the high honors were not included in his military records that Hankerson received from the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. Lloyd said he would be requesting documentation from three other military archives and the Secretary of the Navy.

"I want the men and women in Cobb County Public Safety to rest assured that I am not a fraud, I am who I say I am," Lloyd said.

Lloyd said he has his Silver and Bronze stars packed away at it his house, but his attorney, William McKenney of McKenney & Froelich in Atlanta, said some of the citations proving the awards "were destroyed in apparently a fire or at least a flood."

"We have as much documentation at this point as we can," McKenney said. "We have two affidavits saying they saw the certificates that were given to Mickey Lloyd."

The county requested Lloyd's military records after two different DD 214 forms were found in Lloyd's county personnel file, and Lloyd was unable to provide documentation to clear up the discrepancies. Lloyd said he was given a DD 214 that listed eight awards, including a Silver Star and two Bronze Stars, in 1970, when he was 20 years old. He said he gave it to the county human resources department for retirement purposes, but was asked for a certified copy.

So, he said, he requested a copy of his DD 214 from the records center in St. Louis, "assuming it would be the same as the one I had all these years."

"But, when it came in a few weeks later, I didn't even look at it, I just gave it to my personnel rep and said take this down and turn it in," Lloyd said. "A short time later is when that unsigned letter came in accusing me of Stolen Valor, which knocked my socks off. But I took my copy, the one with the awards, the one I've had for 40 years, down to HR, and said let me see that other one I sent. Well, it had two medals listed on it, Vietnam service and National Defense. I said, 'well this isn't right.' So one person in HR said let's just staple this one, the one you have, to this one. And that's where the two came from," Lloyd said.

But spokesman Quigley confirmed Wednesday that the human resources department received the DD 214 with only two medals listed on March 22, and in mid-June, after the county received a letter alleging Lloyd has been dishonest about his military service, Lloyd gave the department the second DD 214, with the eight medals listed, to be "included in his personnel file."

FBI agent Halle said two DD 214s "can't happen."

Lloyd became emotional when asked about the toll the allegations have taken on him.

"It's been awful," he said. "There was no fraud or anything, there was no intent. I've never gotten more money for having military decorations, I've never gotten promotions for that, it had nothing to do with my employment in Cobb County. A matter fact, I'd just as soon forget all that. It was a short period, long time ago in my life."

As for accusations that Lloyd has lied about other achievements in the military, Lloyd admitted Wednesday that he has never been a Navy SEAL and never received the Purple Heart - accomplishments that were listed in a Smyrna Memorial Day Service program and in other biographies Hankerson said were found on Lloyd's computer.

The Smyrna Memorial Day Service program, which was also used for Lloyd's introduction, included claims that Lloyd was a SEAL and earned the Purple Heart, Silver Star and two Bronze stars.

But Lloyd said once he discovered the biography would state he was a SEAL and earned the Purple Heart, he attempted to correct the misinformation before and after the ceremony.

Lloyd provided signed affidavits from Smyrna City Councilman Mike McNabb, Smyrna Mayor Max Bacon and a fellow speaker at the Memorial Day service, Amie Boozer, stating they were aware of Lloyd's attempts to correct the misinformation.

Bacon said in his affidavit that Lloyd approached him after the ceremony and said: "Some of the things that were said about me in that introduction were not correct. I was not a Navy SEAL and I did not receive a Purple Heart...I don't know where they got that information." Bacon also said Lloyd "appeared to be upset about what was said during the introduction."

Smyrna City Councilman Wade Lnenicka earlier told the Journal that he received everything in the biography for the program directly from Lloyd, to which Lloyd said, "He is incorrect."

Hankerson has also cited discrepancies in Lloyd's biographies found on Lloyd's computer, some of which state he was a Navy SEAL, earned the Purple Heart and received other varying awards.

Lloyd claimed he has never distributed nor seen the biographies, including a curriculum vita, which states he was a SEAL. Lloyd said someone else added the third page of the document, which included his military background. However, an earlier page in the document also states he was a SEAL.

McKenney said Lloyd has passed a lie detector test held at his law firm's office. According to a form signed by the polygraph examiner, Steven Duncan, "it is the Examiner's opinion that no deception was indicated."

The letter states that Lloyd was asked if he lied about receiving his military awards, if he altered his original DD 214, if he told anyone he received a Purple Heart and if he told anyone he was a Navy SEAL. Lloyd responded no to all these questions, according to the letter.

Lloyd said Wednesday that Hankerson has not asked Lloyd to resign or placed him on suspension.

"I could have just gone. I could have just said I don't have to do this and just retired. But I didn't want to leave that way," Lloyd said. "I want the men and women to trust me, and the only way I can do it is to put all the cards on the table and say here it is, you take a look at it, and it's up to you. It's in the county manager's hands, and I have every confidence he'll be thorough, and he'll do what he feels is right for Cobb County."

If Lloyd is terminated, he can appeal that decision to county commissioners.
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scotthalperin
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August 04, 2010
It's no mystery. County officials are embarrassed and cautious because they have backed Lloyd and have worked with him (fairly well I might add) and now they have to out him for being dishonest - after they hired him to begin with.

The Navy would know if they gave the man a Silver Star. They didn't or they would have provided proof by now. He was never a SEAL either. He lied. He lied about his record because for whatever reason he wanted people to think something of him that he doesn't himself believe.

The Navy awards medals for honorable service or for heroism. It denigrates that service and those heroes by pretending to be a recipient of these medals.

It doesn't matter what was going on behind the scenes or between the parties. The man provided records to the county about his service that were false -- not wrong, false. Even if one were to believe he didn't "know" they were false, he certainly knew there was a discrepancy and his answer to the county was that the better record was his. He didn't seem concerned at the time that there were two drastically different DD 214s!?!?

We know he lied about his service. What else did he lie about?
Wake Up Call
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July 29, 2010
GA Patriot brings up a good point: "Does [Lloyd] have something on Hankerson that is causing the inaction?"

Something doesn't smell right here. Mr. Hankerson may not be at issue here, but the obvious overabundance of caution in making a decision, given a total lack of corroborating evidence in support of Mr. Lloyd, certainly indicates SOMEONE'S toes are too close to the wringer...and senior County managers don't appear to want that to come out.
Tom Williams
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July 29, 2010
For "A Veteran." The fire at the St Louis records center took place in 1973. Lloyd's military records were sent there in 1974, AFTER the fire. This is how it works. According to Lloyd's official military records, he served on active duty between 6-20-68 and 2-27-70. At the conclusion of Lloyd's active duty, his records were sent to the Naval Reserve Personnel Center in New Orleans, because Lloyd served in the inactive naval reserve between 2-27-70 and 6-19-1974. After 6-19-1974, Lloyd's records were then sent to the records center in St Louis, which is a date AFTER the fire. Lloyd's military records are complete, and there are no 'missing' parts, and he has only ONE official and accurate DD214.
fiscal conservative
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July 29, 2010
RE: FBI agent Halle said two DD 214s "can't happen."

Yeah...the government NEVER makes mistakes or does goofy stuff. They are perfect...and they are here to help!

WhatHaveYouDone
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July 29, 2010
What has he done since coming to Cobb in 2003? Well, he got his wife a nice job as the Deputy Director of Cobb's EMA in, you guessed it, 2003 doing a lot of nothing and getting paid for it with job security working for her husband. (NICE) Since then the standard for police to maintain has dropped faster and faster. Look at how many officers have been arrested in the last 12 months alone, heck, a Captain was just arrested for DUI in his county car. We should just change the name of Cobb Police to APD North. It's time to move on Mickey and take your wife with you. You need a fresh start? NO, WE NEED A FRESH START! BYE!!! Oh, and don't blame the police. They didn't hire him, Hankerson did. GOOD JOB HANK
Ga Patriot
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July 29, 2010
This would be funny if it wasn't so sad. It's really quite simple. The valid proof was not submitted as required for fire him if he won't resign. Hire him back if credible proof is ever uncovered. Really!! Does he have something on Hankerson that's causing the inaction?
decorated hero's kid
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July 29, 2010
I love how he said "I'd just as soon forget about it"..."it was a short time in my life" Yeah, I'll bet you'd like to forget about it and have everyone else do the same. Kinda like Obamas birth certificate issue. If people don't keep questioning, they'll forget about it. No way Mickey Lloyd. You are a disgrace to all who serve if you think you can get by with this. I hope your boss will do the right thing..Never take for granted those who have given the ultimate sacrifice for their country...their lives. I stood by last Saturday and watched a cavalcade of honor guard members, a hearse and cars follow a young hero to his final resting place. I saw hundreds of people come out to honor him by holding Amerrican flags. They didn't do this for my dad, or any other Vietnam vets who died, so your lying about your medals is a slap in our faces.
WakeUpCall
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July 29, 2010
Since Director Lloyd became the "Top Cop" in Cobb County there has been a steady decline in the police department. He brought his bag of dirty tricks he learned from 29 years with Atlanta and opended it up. With the proper leadership put back in place that department would lead again. How long will it take before someone on the Board of Commissioners wakes up! Their patch says "We Lead, Others Follow." The question should be asked, what path do we let them go down?
Paul Johnson
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July 29, 2010
Lloyd cleverly left out all details of how, when, where, why, whom, etc. pertained to the awarding of his Silver Star and Bronze Stars (V for Valor). Only 100 Silver Stars were awarded to naval personnel in Viet Nam, and Lloyd was definitely not one of them. For you nonveterans, such awards are given for distinguished heroism above and beyond the call of duty, while one is repeatedly exposed to enemy fire, meaning unique acts of heroism while in active and sustained combat with hostile forces at the repeated risk of one's own life. Many witnesses are necessary and many people in the chain-of-command are involved in a detailed investigation, long before any such awards can even be considered. Why has Lloyd not provided the details of how he earned his 'combat' awards? Obviously, because these awards exist only in his delusions. We are asked to belive that a 3rd class Boatswain's Mate, who served a little over a year on active duty on a Navy destroyer earned such distinguished awards? Hogwash! Lloyd blew his one chance to man up and come clean. He chose instead to continue living a lie and a life of deceit. The pownetwork.org will continue to expose him as a fraud. If Lloyd thinks they are mistaken, then he should file a civil law suit, but that will not happen, because Lloyd cannot defend the indefensible.
Voter watching
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July 29, 2010
All this incorrect information for the past 7 plus years? The information had to come from somewhere....people don't just make-up your bio for you. What about the employment package? What did Dir. Lloyd list as his military background? Who vetted him? It seems to me that correct information could be had after all this time. Who will be held accountable? I'll be watching....
mandlb
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July 29, 2010
...sounds a bit like the Duke Lacrosse story. Where will the MDJ be when "Byll Davis" is proven wrong and Dir Lloyd's reputation needs to be restored? I'm sure Otis and Commissioner Ott will be leading that charge. BTW Dir Lloyd, thanks for bringing to our attention an incorrect DD-214. I have since compared mine to my medals/awards and discovered it (my DD-214) is incorrect. (And I served during computerized times-not the onion-skin days) Thank God I don't work for Cobb County. ANYONE who thinks our government (especially the DoD) keeps accurate records NEVER served in Admin.
Pammy Sue
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July 29, 2010
WAIT - R U all saying that the DOD never makes a mistake? That our government always has the paper work right??

I'm just saying after working with the Baffoons at the IRS - I don't trust the paperwork for any federal worker.

I agree with passerby, it is a sad sad day! If it is the truth or a lie?

IS there anyone who can testify to the presenation on the medals? I've seen many medals awarded and there are plenty of people around to see it happen. They don't mail those medal to you, do they?
agree with passerby
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July 29, 2010
I agree that this man will be ruined if proof can't be found and if it is, he still has been hurt. I find it really sad to read about this day after day and wish this paper didn't seem to thrive on attacking, relentlessly, different citizens.
davehep
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July 29, 2010
It would take a total "meathead" to not be able to compare the two DD214's and see that he altered one. I see the good old boy syndrome coming when he finally presents the medals that he bought on EBAY. Lets bring him before a panel of ranking Navy vets with his phoney paperwork and let them decide
Curious One
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July 29, 2010
This sitution is pathetic ! My college roommate was a one of the first Navy Seals, did graduate from the Army Ranger School with a TAB, did earn the Silver Star, Bronze Star and a Purple Heart, did have a boat named after him by Admiral Zumwalt and YES his name is on that BLACK GRANITE in Washington D.C. Lt. John "Bubba" Brewton is the name and it is all verifiable !

Mr. Mickey Lloyd, your are a disgrace !
michael_myers
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July 29, 2010
Oh my word! How long are they going to tap dance with this liar. They got the records from the military. How much more proof do you need? It seems if Jesus Christ himself appeared and said he is a fraud and liar the county would question his word and give lloyd another chance to prove himself. What a disgrace to all "real" medal winners out there!
itstime
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July 29, 2010
it's time for Mr. Lloyd to "man up" and resign. If he wants to keep what little integrity he has left he should admit his mistake and get on down the road. He is doing a disservice to the nation, Cobb County, the citizens and himself. If I had a meeting that was going to determine my future and I could prove that I had specific medals, I would not leave them at home as he said he did. My understanding is that he has done a terrific job at all that he has done - don't dishonor all of that work and all of the veterans by continuing on with this farce. There is only ONE DD214 !!!!

a veteran
Really???????
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July 29, 2010
Mickey, you've been caught in a lie. We know you need to save face by playing this game, but it's time to bow out gracefully. Don't submit the men and women of public safety through this by dragging this out. Take your retirement and go home.
A veteran
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July 29, 2010
I don't know this Mickey Lloyd from Adam, but the fire claim is legitimate. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Personnel_Records_Center_fire

It also explains why there are two DD214s (depite the MDJ trying to pass off an FBI agent as an expert on military records and DD214s). Many of the government's records were destroyed in that St. Louis fire and attempts were made to reconstruct some of them. Many of those attempts resulted in incomplete or inaccurate records.
msenn
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July 29, 2010
This is an unfortunate situation, but he is clearly a fraud. For those who are not or have not served in the military, I can tell you....THIS SIMPLY CANNOT HAPPEN. His story doesn't even remotely add up. A DD214 is one of the most sacred documents a former service member has when he leaves the military. To say he, "I didn't even look at it" when it came in is utter nonsense. That is like saying when you withdraw money from an ATM you don't look at the receipt to ensure the balance is correct.

If you just look at his age (20) at the time of the alleged awards, that would mean between 18 and 20 he would have to have gone through basic training, an additional course to learn his specific job, then be assessed into the Seal program, then complete the Seal School, then deploy to Vietnam and then do something so meritorious as to win a Silver Star and two Bronze Stars.

It just doesn't happen that way folks.

Unfortunately, he's a liar and should be prosecuted.

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