Shooting Obamacare blanks
by Kevin_Foley
 Politics Progressive
October 31, 2013 08:43 AM | 1388 views | 15 15 comments | 12 12 recommendations | email to a friend | print | permalink

The Obama administration's unforced errors on the Affordable Care Act roll out have provided the president's critics with plenty of ammo.

As usual, however, they're firing blanks.

First, remember that all of this gleeful chest thumping is coming from the same people on Fox News and Capitol Hill who had no interest in knowing why George W. Bush let 4,500 Americans die in Iraq looking for non-existent WMD.

They're simply outraged that Obama could let the roll out flounder, but when it comes to a 10-year, $1 trillion war we didn't need to fight, not so much.

The right wing propaganda machine in in high gear, churning out one anti-Obamacare lie or distortion after the other. Another MDJ columnist wrote this:

"Florida’s largest carrier, Florida Blue, is terminating about 300,000 policies comprising 80 percent of its individual policies, reports Kaiser Health News (not associated with the insurance company)."

This is only half-true, but reading it and adding it to all the other lies and misinformation you've heard, you would be understandably inclined to believe this is more evidence of failure.

However, Patrick Geraghty, the CEO of Florida Blue, appeared on Meet the Press Sunday to explain that the 300,000 who had been contacted by the company...were not being cut: "What we've been doing is informing folks that their plan doesn't meet the test of the essential health benefits; therefore, they have a choice of many options that we make available through the exchange. And, in fact, with subsidy, many people will be getting better plans at a lesser cost."

Did you hear that: Better plans, lesser cost.

This is just one of many examples of how the conservative media latch on to some bit of information, true or not, distort it, then present it as fact without bothering to give the reader or viewer the full story.

Here's another from Dr. Ben Carson: Obamacare is "the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery."

A program that aims to provide health insurance so 30 million uninsured Americans can get preventative and critical care is, ready, as immoral and horrific as holding human beings in servitude; brutally torturing those human beings; killing those human beings; tearing apart the families of those human beings; destroying the souls of those human beings.

This from an allegedly educated man.

Far right media are saying Obamacare web site cost $638 million. The number came from an article in Digital Trends, but the it's wrong, not that conservative talking heads like Sean Hannity would bother to get the story right.

"Who pays $634 million and has three years and screws it up that bad?" Hannity demanded to know.

"A conservative figure would be $70 million. A more modest figure would be $125 million to $150 million," wrote the Washington Post's Fact Checker describing the actual cost of the web site.

Then there is Betsy McCaughey, a frequent Fox News guest, who said Obamacare will vastly expand Medicaid and "pay for it by eviscerating Medicare, taking $700 billion out of Medicare and moving it over to fund this expansion of this entitlement. It's like robbing Grandma to spread the wealth."

Obamacare cuts no Medicare benefits. That's a lie and McCaughey and Fox know it's a lie.The facts don't support the Obama-Obamacare haters so they just make stuff up. The facts are these:

The Obamacare web site wasn't ready for launch Oct. 1. It is being fixed.

After it is fixed around November 30, if you have no health insurance, you'll be able to buy a policy that fits your needs and your budget even if you have a pre-existing condition.

If you have an individual policy and it is cancelled its because it doesn't comply with new standards so you'll get a better policy than the one you had, perhaps for less money.

If, like most Americans, you are covered by a group plan at work, nothing changes.

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CobbCoGuy
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November 07, 2013
I have no confidence in the "tech surge."

Imagine you're one of the Gubmint project managers, IT gurus, or programmers, and here comes the tech surge - more project managers, IT gurus, programmers, etc. from the outside. Bringing in outside folks is basically telling the Gubmint folks that, "You suck. Get outta my way so we can fix this thing." And, "Oh, by the way, stick around and tell me where things stand today, describe your software architecture, your datebases, whatever."

Do you think the Gubmint folks are going to feel warm fuzzies toward the tech surge? Do you think the Gubmint folks are going to welcome the surge with open arms? Do you think the Gubmint folks are going to enthusiastically provide the background and information to the surge so the surge can fix their screwup?

I could be wrong. I've been wrong before; just ask my wife.

What do y'all think?
CobbCoGuy
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November 07, 2013
Who is confident that the exchanges will be fixed by November 30?

No need to explain why you think so, no need to throw bombs at anyone, just a simple "I think they'll be ready" will suffice.
CobbCoGuy
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November 05, 2013
KF,

A few weeks ago, you spoke about how you would be able to drop your insurance and allow your employees to go onto the exchange. Also, to your credit, you indicated you would reimburse them to some extent.

As a small businessman who supports Obama and Obamacare, you're in a position to provide real-world insight and experience, and possibly change minds about O'care.

So, instead of talking about trolling and sputtering and spewing, why not educate us?

Take the high road.
CobbCoGuy
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November 05, 2013
So now, not only is Obama lying - if you like your plan, you can keep it - he is lying about his lies.

In a speech Monday night, Obama stated: "Now, if you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed."

Will someone please inform Obama - the smartest man EVAH to be President - that the news outlets, and not just Fox News, have something called video?
Lib in Cobb
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November 05, 2013
Kevin: I learned on MSNBC last evening. Connecticut has opened a store to help people sign up for insurance under The Affordable Care Act. Of course "The Nutmeg State" is closer to the needs of the citizens than any "red state", I know of.

CobbCoGuy
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November 05, 2013
Kentucky? That all you got? What about the other 49 states? Oh, no, wait, I forgot. In Obama's world there are an additional 56 states for which we need an accounting.

I digress.

Facts? Claiming that Kentucky is "...already off and running." is a qualitative statement. Facts would be something like this:

The Washington Post, November 1, 2013: "In Kentucky, the marketplace has received 25,654 Medicaid enrollments, about four times the 5,891 private insurance enrollments submitted."

Notice that I'm not citing Fox News.

For the uninformed readers, those are not good numbers. They need the young, healthy folks for the economics to work.
Kevin Foley
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November 04, 2013
@ Lib - The trolls are having their little "I told you so" field day. Let them chortle and smirk. They are all completely irrelevant.

Obamacare is coming. In states like Kentucky where they've implemented state exchanges, its already off and running.

I'm sure Cobb Co Guy was cheering for the Iraq invasion in 2003 and now sputters and spews when confronted with the facts I mentioned above. As I say. Total, unmitigated frauds.
Lib in Cobb
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November 01, 2013
@Cobb Guy: Were you as vocal about the un-funded Medicare Part D?
CobbCoGuy
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October 31, 2013
The Democrats are coming up with some clever pretzel logic. For example, former Sec of Labor Robert Reich had a recent piece entitled:

"The Democrats’ Version of Health Insurance Would Have Been Cheaper, Simpler, and More Popular (So Why Did We Enact the Republican Version and Why Are They So Upset?)."

The Republican version was enacted? Really? What was the vote? Something like every Democrat to zero, right? But the Republican idea was enacted.

[facepalm]

Charles C.W. Cooke at National Review has a nice rebuttal to Reich.
CobbCoGuy
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October 31, 2013
Joe Klein, Time, 10/30/13:

"...there is a danger that the Obama Administration will be remembered as not even good enough for government work."

Ouch.
CobbCoGuy
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October 31, 2013
New NBC/WSJ Poll:

"Personally and politically, the public’s assessment [of Obama] is two thumbs down,” says DEMOCRATIC pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with REPUBLICAN pollster Bill McInturff." [emphasis added]

PERSONALLY...and politically. Folks don't cotton to folks who lie.

CobbCoGuy
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October 31, 2013
"Better plans, lesser cost."

Not so fast, Skippy.

What does "lesser cost" mean? Lower premium? Not necessarily. To only speak of someone's current premium vs. their new premium, even with subsidies, does not cover the entire story. What is the new deductible? The new copay? The new coinsurance percentage?

KF is being misleadingly simplistic.
CobbCoGuy
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October 31, 2013
Let's go with KF for a minute. Suppose Bubba's insurance is cancelled, he gets another policy via the exchange and, with subsidies, his premium is less.

Why did Obama tell us that we could keep our current policy? Why did Obama tell a bald-faced lie to us? Obama knew it was a lie, yet he told it to us regardless.

Why not tell the truth, if Obamacare is the be-all and the end-all?

I seem to recall some mumbo-jumbo about "transparency" back in 2009.

What is Obama's agenda that requires lying to the American people?
CobbCoGuy
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October 31, 2013
KF is trying to put lipstick on a pig.

KF is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

And, KF is citing the Gregory-Geraghty interview again. Google it, folks, watch the entire clip. It's about 4 minutes. Gregory had unanswered questions, no?

There's another video to watch: CNN's Anderson Cooper interviews Drew Griffin and the topic is, well, Cooper's opening line says it all: "Evidence that the Obama administration is leaning on insurance companies to keep a lid on problems with the healthcare law rollout..."

To be fair, one of the sources was an Obamacare opponent; however, Griffin states in the end that there were multiple sources.

See, KF? I don't get all my news from Fox.
Lib in Cobb
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October 31, 2013
If The Affordable Care Act had been the idea of George I or George II or Ronnie, the GOP would have been involved in a constant group grope love fest since its inception. The less than adequate GOP presidential candidate in 2012 was responsible for the implementation of a healthcare plan for all in MA, but that was and still is just fine with the "wingnuts". I will inject at this point, Romney, IF elected was going to repeal. HA!

This not about The ACA, it is about who was able to get it done.
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